Re: Necessity of jhanas: panna-vimutto and sukkhavipassako
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Dear Dimitry, I add some about this sutta. Nina and Teng Kee may give
more: In the commentary to Aane~njasappaaya sutta (MN 106)
it is said:
Samaapatti.m taava pada.t.thaana.m katvaa vipassana.m
When he has made the attainment of jhana the proximate cause of
arahatta.m ga.nhanto bhikkhu naava.m vaa u.lumpaadiini
and he attains arahatship, the bhikkhu who is as it were depending on
or a raft
mahogha.m taritvaa paara.m gacchanto viya na kilamati.
croses the great flood and reaches the other side, is not tired.
Sukkhavipassako pana paki.n.nakasa'nkhaare sammasitvaa
But the person with dry insight who has thoroughly known the
and attains arahatship,
baahubalena sota.m chinditvaa paara.m gacchanto viya kilamati.
, after he has as it were cut the stream with much force and reaches
other side, is tired.
Thus we see that the way of using mundane jhana as a basis has this
advantage too. However not all beings have the accumulations to
master the jhanas (I mean genuine jhana, not imitation). To use the
jhanas as basis one must be proficient in them -not just attaining
them a few times- Or as Teng Kee explained some even when they first
heard Dhamma also attained mundane jhanas momentarily and then
nibbana, and this was because of great accumulations over past lives.
Bhikkhu Bodhi gives some other notes from the commentary of this
In the sutta Ananda asks the Buddha, "a bhikkhu is practising
thus: 'If it were not it would be mine; it will not be and it will
not be mine. What exists, what has come to be, that I am abandonding.
Thus he attains equanimity. Venerable sir , does such a one attain
Nibbana?."......The note by bodhi (1021)from Majjima attahakatha,
"Anandas question is intended to elicit from the Buddha an account of
the practice of the dry-insight meditator(sukkhavipassaka) who
attains arahatship without depending on a jhanic attainment.
Sutta "This is deathless, namely the liberation of mind through not
note 1023 Majjhima atthakatha says that the arahstship of the dry-
insight meditator is intended.
> In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Dimitry A. Ivakhnenko (ÄìèòðèéÀëåêñååâè÷
> Èâàõíåíêî)" <koleso@i...> wrote:nissaaya
> > Dear Robert,
> > >> > Again buddhaghosa and dhammapala recorded down that it is not
> > r> recommeded for sukhavipasa because it is too hard.See
> > r> sutta in MN.
> > >>________
> > r> Dear Teng Kee,
> > r> Could you quote the passage where Dhammapala and Buddhaghosa
> > r> recommend against sukkhavipassaka?
> > In the commentary to Aane~njasappaaya sutta (MN 106) it is said:
> > Uparipannasa-Atthakatha 4.67
> > Samaapatti.m taava pada.t.thaana.m katvaa vipassana.m va.d.dhetvaa
> > arahatta.m ga.nhanto bhikkhu naava.m vaa u.lumpaadiini vaa
> > mahogha.m taritvaa paara.m gacchanto viya na kilamati.
> > pana paki.n.nakasa'nkhaare sammasitvaa arahatta.m ga.nhanto
> > baahubalena sota.m chinditvaa paara.m gacchanto viya kilamati.
> > Dimitry
- View SourceDear Robert,
Thank you for translation. According to this passage the way of
sukkhavipassaka is quite difficult.
Are there any certain examples of sukkhavipassaka in the Tipitaka?
r> However not all beings have the accumulations to
r> master the jhanas (I mean genuine jhana, not imitation).
Certainly not all - peta can't do it.
Yet in my opinion any person who is able to fall in love deeply, is able as
well to develop more skillful jhana.
"Lakkhana jhana" is a part and parcel of overall Buddhist jhana practice.