Re: Gandhabba As Re-linking Consciousness: Three Events Coincide
- Dear Pali Friends
How are you?
I made an embarrassing typing error in my message 289.
The word with a typing error is "sammipethito".
Please kindly change it to "samipethito".
Apology for any inconvenience and misunderstanding.
Suan Lu Zaw
--- In Pali@y..., abhidhammika@y... wrote:
> Dear Pali Friends
> The following message (dhamma-list message 22247) is my reply
> to John R Overman's message (dhamma-list message 22241). The
> is a serious one. I thought you might find it useful, so I post it
> The message contains a translation of a Pali passage. Your comments
> on my translation are very welcome.
> Hope you enjoy it.
> Dear John R Overman
> How are you?
> The Buddha's explanation is already complete and transparant. But,
> think you would like further comment on the translator's explanation
> "gandhabba is not some disembodied spirit". By the way, this wasn't
> actual wording in the MN commentary Pali. The commentary is merely
> commenting on the expression "paccupatthito hoti" found in section
> 408 of Mulapannasa, Majjimanikaya original.
> The expression "Paccupatthito hoti" can mean "is standing in front"
> literally. But, this meaning does not apply to the re-linking
> consciousness (patisandhi cittam)of the dead one. So the
> was forced to say the following.
> " Paccupatthito hotiti na matapitunam sannipatam olokayamano
> sammipethito paccupatthito nama hoti."
> "Is standing in front" wasn't like "standing close-by (sammipethito)
> while watching father and mother copulating".
> Now, the above Pali comment became "gandhabba is not some
> spirit" in the hands of the translator, I think.
> In Pali Buddhism, the re-linking consciousness follows immediately
> after the dying consciousness (cuti cittam). So when father and
> mother are copulating while mother is ovulating, someone dies and
> re-linking consciounsess has a chance to conceive. All three events
> coincide. That is all there is to it. The right timing is made
> possible by the past actions of the father, mother and the embryo
> (gandhabba now with body).
> Re-linking consciousness is called "gandhabbo" in ordinary language.
> I hope my message makes sense to you and all other dhamma friends.
> With regards
> Suan Lu zaw
> --- In dhamma-list@y..., John R Overman <jonover@j...> wrote:
> > In MN38, Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation, the last sentence of
> paragraph 26,