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Re: [Pali] Re: need feed back on the Pindapata and pindacara confusion in Malaysia

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  • Kumara Bhikkhu
    Allow me to provide some input. Since pindapata means alms food , it is perfectly correct to say, We are going for pindapata (alms food). However, it
    Message 1 of 4 , May 5, 2013
      Allow me to provide some input. Since 'pindapata'
      means 'alms food', it is perfectly correct to
      say, "We are going for pindapata (alms food)."
      However, it would not make sense to say "We get
      food by pindapata," as it translates to "We get
      food by alms food." It would be fine though to say, "We get food by pindacara."

      The term 'pindapata' is commonly used these days
      in the Sri Lankan and Thai tradition. In
      Malaysia, I think it was us (the monks at
      Sasanarakkha) who began using 'pindacara' perhaps
      a little over 10 years ago. The matter was
      pointed out to me by my teacher, Bhante
      Aggacitta, as I was picking up Pali from him. I
      then suggested that we use this "new" term
      instead. He agreed, and so that's how it started.
      We are kind of a reformist sangha. :-)


      P.S.: Btw, this egroup doesn't allow rich text,
      much less Unicode. So, better stick to plain text.

      Chanida wrote thus at 01:52 AM 29-04-13:

      >Dear Venerable Dhammadinna,
      >I think both terms should be fine to refer to monks' going for alms
      >The term piṇḍacâra is undoubtedly correct. It is found in
      >verses in Suttanipâta (Sn72, 137) and Apadâna (Ap 24,201, 272,
      >516) where it comes with verbs of car root. More can be found in
      >commentaries where it is used more with verbs of gam root.
      >As Bryan explains, the term piṇḍapâta is used mostly in the
      >sense of alms food. But in the compound
      >piṇḍapâta-paá¹­ikkanta which is found frequently in the
      >Pali canon to refer to monks returning from alms round, I think the word
      >piṇḍapâta can have an extended sense of going for alms round
      >It is interesting to note that Pali canonical texts refer to monks who
      >routinely go for alms round only as piṇḍapâtika, except in
      >the Vinaya-piá¹­aka where both piṇḍapâtika and
      >piṇḍacârika are used perhaps interchangeably. This seems to
      >reinforce the idea that the term piṇḍapâta can refer to the
      >act of going for alms round too; for if it only refers to alms food, the
      >compound piṇḍapâtika may refer to any monk in the sense of
      >'one who depends on alms offering', which contradicts its usage in the
      >Pali canon.
      >Hence, it seems to me that both piṇḍapâta and
      >piṇḍacâra can be used interchangeably to refer to monks'
      >going for alms round. It may be interesting to note also that a
      >Gândhârî ms has 'piṇḍacâra-paá¹­ikkanta' instead
      >of 'piṇḍapâta-paá¹­ikkanta' as found in the Pali canon.
      >Yours respectfully,
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