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  • Lennart Lopin
    Various frequency lists: http://www.nibbanam.com/pali_language_tools.html#PaliWordList metta, Lennart ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    Message 1 of 10 , Oct 17, 2010
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      Various frequency lists:

      http://www.nibbanam.com/pali_language_tools.html#PaliWordList

      metta,

      Lennart

      On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:17 AM, fcckuan@... <fcckuan@...>wrote:

      >
      >
      > Hi Peter,
      >   Reciting dhp sounds like a good idea. I remember a few years
      > ago someone had a list of the most frequently used pali words. Is that list
      > in our archives? We could build an audio dictionary like what worldtipitaka
      > did. Then it would be easy to write a program to speak any pali phrase. It
      > would sound like a gps nav device reading street name directions, but what a
      > wonderful upgrade over having nothing.
      >
      > On Oct 15, 2010 3:57 AM, Peter Hauer <linguasoft@...<linguasoft%40yahoo.com>>
      > wrote:
      >
      >  
      >
      >
      > Hi Frank,
      >
      > Thanks for your offer. I'll check the agenda and will keep you posted. It
      > may be
      >
      > that we get support by a local (Austrian) sponsor which can aggregate the
      >
      > critical mass to initiate this project and keep the thing rolling. My
      > personal
      >
      > preference was recording Dhammapada first in order to generate a Kindle
      > audio
      >
      > book (alongside with translations into several Western languages) which may
      >
      >
      > generate additional funds for the "academic" part of this project.
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > Peter
      >
      > --- On Tue, 10/12/10, frank <fcckuan@... <fcckuan%40gmail.com>>
      > wrote:
      >
      > From: frank <fcckuan@... <fcckuan%40gmail.com>>
      >
      >
      > Subject: Re: Pali Pronunciation {Re: [Pali] audio tipitaka?}
      >
      > To: Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>
      >
      > Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 2:05 PM
      >
      > Hi Peter,
      >
      > I'm willing to chip in some money for the budget. I can also
      >
      > contribute time to help digitize the recorded data if help is needed in
      >
      > that area. We can put together a wish list of sutta excerpts in order
      >
      > of priority. I personally would like to see the 16 steps of anapanasati,
      >
      > the 4 jhanas, their similes, the 4 immaterial attainments, the 6 higher
      >
      > knowledges and their similes from [DN 2], some excerpts that would
      >
      > include at least brief mention of 4 noble truths, noble eightfold path,
      >
      > 37 aids to enlightenment, so at least all the important buddhist words
      >
      > have a correct pali pronunciation covered.
      >
      > -Frank
      >
      > On 10/11/2010 7:27 AM, Peter Hauer wrote:
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Dear All,
      >
      > >
      >
      > > I have a contact with the monks from Thotagamuwa Rajamaha Viharaya*
      >
      > > (they are
      >
      > > sponsored by our charity organization for tsunami victims,
      >
      > > www.istuti.org) and
      >
      > > may ask them if they are ready to assist with creating an audio
      >
      > > version of
      >
      > > (parts of) the Pali Canon. I plan to go there in winter and can carry
      > a
      >
      > > high-quality audio recording device with me. It would be great to know
      >
      >
      > > who else
      >
      > > may want to join in this project, and which sections of the Pali Canon
      >
      >
      > > should be
      >
      > > given preference. Is there a possibility of funding, partially at
      > least?
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Best regards,
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Peter E. Hauer
      >
      > > Vienna, Austria
      >
      > >
      >
      > > *)
      >
      > >
      > http://www.hikkaduwanet.com/most_important_places/thotagamuwa_ancient_buddhist_temple/
      >
      > >/
      >
      > >
      >
      > > ________________________________
      >
      > > From: Lennart Lopin <novalis78@... <novalis78%40gmail.com><mailto:
      > novalis78%40gmail.com>> <novalis78%2540gmail.com%26gt%3B%26gt>;
      >
      > > To: Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
      > Pali%40yahoogroups.com> <Pali%2540yahoogroups.com%26gt>;
      >
      > > Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 3:02:31 PM
      >
      > > Subject: Re: Pali Pronunciation {Re: [Pali] audio tipitaka?}
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Dear Bhante,
      >
      > >
      >
      > > I think the widely available paritta chantings are a bit misleading as
      >
      >
      > > they
      >
      > > almost tend to be "artistic"...
      >
      > >
      >
      > > I'm not sure about the monks you're referring to, but generally the
      >
      > > > Sri-lankans pronounces Pali quite accurately (compared to Thais
      > and
      >
      > > Burmese
      >
      > > > in general), except for a few oddities. Here are some of them
      > that I can
      >
      > > > think of now:
      >
      > > >
      >
      > > > * Double 'g's are pronounced as a nasal guttural sound. E.g.,
      > "maggo is
      >
      > > > pronounced as "mang-go". (Thais and Burmese don't do this.)
      >
      > > >
      >
      > > ? Never heard a Sri Lankan say "mango for maggo" :-)
      >
      > >
      >
      > > > * The short 'a' at the end of a word is sounded as a weak "er".
      > E.g.,
      >
      > > > "kamma" as "kammer". (Thais and Burmese don't do this.)
      >
      > > >
      >
      > > yes, the Thai/Burmese pronounce it almost as ā ... (from an Indian
      >
      > > standpoint).
      >
      > >
      >
      > > > * When it comes to chanting, many of them tend to drag to last
      >
      > > syllable at
      >
      > > > the end of the line or sentence. (The monks of the forest
      > tradition
      >
      > > seem to
      >
      > > > avoid this though. Some Thais do this sometimes, esp. at the end
      > of the
      >
      > > > chanting.)
      >
      > > >
      >
      > > yes, unfortunately, I think esp. the temple chanting was influenced by
      >
      > > muslim (?) chanting (or some other influence), at least that what it
      >
      > > sounds
      >
      > > like (the dragging you mention)... a trend which seems to have crept
      > into
      >
      > > chanting in the last 50 years... A very interesting alternative is
      >
      > > Dhammaruwan's
      >
      > > style of
      >
      > >chanting.<
      > http://theravadin.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/chanting-in-the-6th-century/><http://theravadin.wordpress.com/2008/08/09/chanting-in-the-6th-century/>>
      >
      > >>
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Also
      >
      > > forest monks tend to avoid any singing style, an example for which
      >
      > > would be Bhante
      >
      > > Silagavesi's
      >
      > >chanting<
      > http://nissarana.org/index.php?option=com_rubberdoc&view=category&id=14:pali-pirith-chanting&Itemid=57<http://nissarana.org/index.php?option=com_rubberdoc&view=category&id=14:pali-pirith-chanting&Itemid=57>
      >
      > >7
      >
      > >
      >
      > ><
      > http://nissarana.org/index.php?option=com_rubberdoc&view=category&id=14:pali-pirith-chanting&Itemid=57>><http://nissarana.org/index.php?option=com_rubberdoc&view=category&id=14:pali-pirith-chanting&Itemid=57>>>
      >
      > >>
      >
      > >
      >
      > > .
      >
      > >
      >
      > > But rather than chanting, just reading the texts gives an even clearer
      >
      > > pronunciation, IMHO. So Frank's initial idea is not bad. Would be
      > great to
      >
      > > find someone who would like to do that.
      >
      > >
      >
      > > much metta,
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Lennart
      >
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