Re: [Pali] Does the Mahayana Vinaya text contain the Maha- and Cullavagga?
- Actually Mahayana monks in China and Tibet follow non-Mahayana Vinayas, but
as to your question, I don't know.
At 04:27 PM 10/13/02 +0800, you wrote:
>Wonder if anyone can tell me this:
>While we can find among the Mayahana texts a Pratimoksha that is not far
>too different from that of the Pali Patimokkha, is there any Mahayana
>equivalent of the Mahavagga and Cullavagga of the Pali Vinaya Pitaka?
>Also, I'd appreciate any recommendation of a good book on the history of
>Buddhism in China. I'm particularly interested in the introduction
>Buddhism there and how certain ideas and practices evolved.
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- Dear Sakya,
thanks very much for the reply. I would greatly appreciate if you
could answer a few more questions.
1. Saakya Niruttiya is used by the Samanic group. Does that not mean
it was used by other non-Buddhist groups (such as Jainism) as well?
2. All brahmans and kshatriyas, including Buddha, received their
childhood education in Sanskrit (or Vedic), doesn't that make
Sanskrit/Vedic the official medium.
3. Vedic/Sanskrit was brought into India by the Aryan people from the
north. For many years, Brahmanism remained the only religion and
Vedic the only language in the northern region (the original religion
and language was suppressed). Samanic traditions started only at a
much later time, with Buddhism making to the top of the groups. Even
so, Brahmanism still remain as the dominant religion, Vedic the
dominant language, and the Brahmans the dominant (caste) even up till
today. How did Saakya Niruttya get into the spotlight, in the proper
--- sakyaumanathan wrote:
> Namo BuddhaVedic
> India had two major traditions in ancient time i.e. Samana and
> traditions. Buddha was from Samana tradition. Sakya Niruttya wasthe
> languge used by Samanic group while Vedic people had their ownauthor).
> languge called Vedic language. Saakya Niruttiya had scripts even
> before 5 th B.C. The entire Dhamma Scripts are called Ti Pitaka,
> means three baskets. It is called three baskets because; in ancient
> days the scripts were kept in baskets. Prof Rhys Davis, has quoted
> many evidences to prove written documents of Saakya Niruttiya on
> wood, skin etc. in the 5th B.C. (see Buddhist India of same
> Saakya Niruttiya was not the language of small part of North India,King
> but language of entire Indian sub-continent including Sri Lanka.
> Asoka used Aramic and some other languages out side India whileof
> Saakya Niruttiya for all over India. The entire sub continent knew
> Saakya Niruttiya. Not only Asokan inscriptions, but there are many
> other Sakyan inscriptions we have found in Deep South of India as
> well as Sri-Lanka. The inscriptions of Ajantha and Ellora prove the
> existence of Saakyan community in Ajantha and Ellora region. Many
> the medieval Tamil literatures deal with Saakyan community showsthe
> existence of Sakyan community in the medieval period in DeepSouth.
> In Ancient days the Vedic language did not have script. It was not
> literary tradition, but oral tradition. The date cannot be
> authentically said as we can say to Saakya Niruttiya. For Saakya
> Niruttiya, we can use carbon dating to prove the dates of
> inscriptions and manuscripts. We cannot use any scientific methods
> tell the exact period of Vedic literatures. Some Historiansof
> calculated as 5000 years back. The same period India had a grate
> India civilization like Indus. If we compare the material culture
> Indus people and oral culture of Vedic, both do not suit to eachIndus.
> other's. But the Samanic tradition can be traced the origin in
> Many of the Symbols in Indus are belonged to Samanic tradition.famous
> In Samanic tradition there were many sects after Sakyamuni Buddha.
> Hinayana and Mahayana were the major traditions. Mahayana was
> in northern part of India and beyond while Hinayana was famous innew
> southern part. Nalandha adopted Mahayana tradition while Kanchi
> remained as Henayana tradition. The Mahayana tradition adopted a
> language with the mixer of language of new languages enter in towere
> India from east Europe and central Asia. Many of the commentary
> written in a new language called Prakrit. The Prakrit was laterfor
> developed as high breed Sanskrit by Mahayana Buddhist. This is the
> period the Vedic people had adopted the newly developed language
> their religious discourses. Many of the Buddhist Sanskrit scriptsdegraded
> which are found in Central Asia. The similar texts in India are
> claimed to be Hindu scripts. The literary Sanskrit was developed
> somewhere between 4 A.D. and 7 A.D. In this period a rigid Varna or
> Caste System, based on birth was developed, the Brahmin elite class
> claimed whole authority over education, knowledge and Brahmanical
> Sanskrit scripts. The Shudras were denied education and knowledge.
> Buddhism was declined and Saakyan Community (Buddhists) was
> as UNTOUCHABLES. Buddha was abused through the Sanskrit HinduPuranas
> and Saakya Niruttiya was abused as language of out caste.in
> Sakya Niruttiya was remained as a language of southern Buddhist for
> longer period. Even in 13 A. D. Saakya Niruttiya had high profile
> southern India. New grammar books were written in this period. Ain
> Chola king had requested Saakya grammarian to write Tamil grammar
> this period. The author of "Virasozhiyam" (a Tamil grammar book)was
> a grate scholar of Saakya Niruttiya. Saakya Niruttiya had alsototally
> undergone changes in these periods.
> Saakya Niruttiya was totally declined in India not only from the
> status of State/ medium of instruction / literary language but also
> lost the states of spoken language. Now the Historical question of
> Indian linguistic history is how a highly developed language,
> wiped out from its own land.
> Bavatu Sabba Mangalam