Re: [Pali] Re: Pali Day by Day G033 - The New Pali Course Part II - Ex 12
- I must hasten to add
(1) The metre is Vasantatilakaa which requires the 8th syllable of a foot to
be long. ('aa' not 'a'.)
(2) Changing 'karu.nayaa' to 'xaru.naaya' will also make the nest word
problematic. With 'karu.nayaa' the following word can be taken as
'(a)paha.a-'. With 'karu.naaya' it will have to be 'paha.ta'.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Mahinda Palihawadana <mahipal6@...>wrote:
> Dear friends,
> Going by what you have quoted from the text book, it looks as if the prose
> order of the words in this stanza is: "tassa vatthu-ta.nhaa hi citte
> mahaa-karu.nayaa apaha.ta-avakaasaa duura.m jagaama viya". This could
> (literally) mean: "His greed for wealth (vatthu) was as if it had gone far
> (away), space (avakaassa) (for it) having been taken away (denied) by the
> great compassion of the heart."
> The correct punctuation would be "mahaakaru.nayaa'paha.taavakaasaa..."
> apahat.a is PP from apaharati: take away. Literally 'taken away' but
> actually, 'denied'. 'vatthu' means both 'field' and 'wealth'. The particle
> 'hi' is more or less a gap-filler and can be left untranslated. (Or, it can
> be translated as 'indeed', if one so wishes.)
> Th reading 'maha-karu.nayaa' is not necessarily wrong. It is an irregular
> form, deliberately adopted here to suit the metre. 'Correcting' it to the
> regular 'mahaa-karu.naaya' (as apparently CSCD has done) will result in
> breach of metre. This kind of thing is not uncommon in later compositions
> like the Hatthavanagalla-vihaara-va.msa. (In Skt of course karu.nayaa is the
> regular instr. sg. form of karu.naa.). Poetic licence!
> Mahinda Palihawadana
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:01 AM, flrobert2000 <flrobert2000@...>wrote:
>> Dear Yong Peng,
>> I agree that some of the sentences can be very challenging. Sometimes
>> you have to put them back into their context which demands quite a bit
>> of research. However, I don't think the effort was worthless. I
>> learned really a lot working through this book.
>> Regarding exercise 10, I think the sentence contains some spelling
>> mistakes. Here's what I found in the CSCD:
>> "Citte mahaakaru.naaya paha.taavakaasaa" instead of "Citte
>> mahaakaru.nayaa paha.taavakaasaa"
>> and "Duura.m jagaama viya tassa bhavatthu ta.nhaa" instead of "Duura.m
>> jagaama viya tassa hi vatthuta.nhaa."
>> Then for some reason Bhudadatta translates paha.taavakaasaa as "being
>> not given in place" which makes sense when one reads the text
>> preceding this verse. However I have asked at least two Pali teachers
>> to help me with this sentence and they couldn't give me a definite
>> answer. Maybe someone in this group will be able to help us with these
>> very obscure verses!
>> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "Ong Yong Peng"
>> <palismith@...> wrote:
>> > Dear Florent,
>> > in retrospect, Part II is quite challenging, but worth the effort for
>> > anyone keen to polish their Pali skills. I have started exercise 20
>> > this week, plan to continue in the coming week, but only to complete
>> > it the week after. ;-)
>> > Here is my attempt on no. 11.
>> > "Citte mahaakaru.nayaa paha.taavakaasaa
>> > in mind / from great compassion / from obstructed
>> > "(Far) from the great compassion, obstructed within the mind,
>> > Duura.m jagaama viya tassa hi vatthuta.nhaa."
>> > far / has gone / just as / his / indeed / lust for objects
>> > indeed, just as his lust for objects has gone far."
>> > metta,
>> > Yong Peng.
>> > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, flrobert2000
>> > I must say that I found the 2 verses from the Hatthavanagalla
>> > Viharavamsa (11 and 12) quite obscure!
>> > 11. "Citte mahaakaru.nayaa paha.taavakaasaa
>> > Duura.m jagaama viya tassahi vatthuta.nhaa."
>> > [in] mind / [with] great compassion / being not given a place /
>> > far / he has gone / like / craving for a field
>> > Being not given a place, with great compassion in his mind he has
>> > gone far away
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