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  • P G Dave
    Dear Piya, kindly give me the link to your article on Bhavana that u mention. Thanks & metta, PG ________________________________ ... [Non-text portions of
    Message 1 of 12 , Apr 27, 2008
      Dear Piya,

      kindly give me the link to your article on Bhavana that u mention.
      Thanks & metta,

      PG
      ________________________________


      On 4/26/08, Piya Tan <dharmafarer@...> wrote:
      >
      > Dear PG,
      >
      > My point is that there is no meditation by such a name in the Suttas.
      > It is so called
      > in the Commentaries and later times. Vipassana refers to "wisdom", as
      > such it is not a meditation in itself.
      >
      > However, I have no problem with the modern usage, as it
      > is a particular approach to meditation, which can be useful for some
      > people.
      >
      > I have discussed some this further in in my article on
      > Bhavana (SD 15.1)
      >
      > Metta,
      >
      > Piya
      >
      > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:31 PM, P G Dave <pgd2507@...<pgd2507%40gmail.com>>
      > wrote:
      > > Dear Piya Tan,
      > >
      > > On pg. 14 of your paper I noticed the following words:
      > > *"Vipassanâ" meditation (if there is such a meditation)"*
      > > Does the qualification in brackets "if there is such a meditation"
      > indicate
      > > that the term "vipassanâ meditation" is a mis-nomer...
      > >
      > > Kindly explain.
      > >
      > > Thanks.
      > >
      > > with metta,
      > > PG
      > > ______________________________________
      > >
      > >
      > > On 4/25/08, Piya Tan <dharmafarer@... <dharmafarer%40gmail.com>>
      > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Dear Jon and friends,
      > > >
      > > > Glad you found the Sutta useful. As long as we keep promoting the
      > Suttas,
      > > > there are good chances that more people would have access to the
      > Buddha's
      > > > Teachings "as is".
      > > >
      > > > The scholar's Buddhism is fine, too, but I like my Dharma plain and
      > early.
      > > >
      > > > I normally use Time Extended Romans, which should be installed in
      > > > C:/Windows/Fonts
      > > >
      > > > if you don't have them.
      > > >
      > > > However, if the PDF works well, then it's fine.
      > > >
      > > > WIth metta,
      > > >
      > > > Piya Tan
      > > >
      > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Jon Fernquest <bayinnaung@...<bayinnaung%40yahoo.com>
      > <bayinnaung%40yahoo.com>>
      > >
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Dear Piya Tan;
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks for that paper.
      > > > > It's great.
      > > > > I had problems with the fonts on previous
      > > > > ones, but this one, no problems at all.
      > > > >
      > > > > It's hard to get references, review, and bibliography of scholarly
      > > > > work like this.
      > > > >
      > > > > With metta,
      > > > > Jon Fernquest
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com> <Pali%
      > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Piya Tan"
      > >
      > >
      > > > <dharmafarer@...> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Dear PG,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > What you seek is found here:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > http://dighanikaya.googlepages.com/D16_Mahaparinibbana_S_sd9.pdf
      > > > > >
      > > > > > See page 13-14 (section 6).
      > > > > >
      > > > > > With metta,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Piya Tan
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:38 PM, pgd2507 <pgd2507@...> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Dear learned dhamma and pali scholars,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > So karohi diipam attano
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I have seen this line translated in 2 ways:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Make an island unto yourself.
      > > > > > > Make a lamp unto yourself.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > which of these did the Buddha intend?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > the sanskrit words are distinct:
      > > > > > > dviipa = island
      > > > > > > diipa = lamp
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > but in pali both these words seem to converge to "diipa".
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > is there some help either contextual or from another part of the
      > > > > > > canon that can resolve this...
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > metta,
      > > > > > > PG
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
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      > >
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    • Piya Tan
      Dear PG, Here it is: http://dharmafarer.googlepages.com/sd15.1_Bhavana_piya.pdf This may not be the latest, since I am unable to access my Googlepages for the
      Message 2 of 12 , Apr 27, 2008
        Dear PG,

        Here it is:

        http://dharmafarer.googlepages.com/sd15.1_Bhavana_piya.pdf

        This may not be the latest, since I am unable to access my Googlepages
        for the moment.
        It is a free DIY website, so we are at their mercy, as it were. It
        could be the heavy internet
        traffic.

        You can also explore http://dharmafarer.googlepages.com for more discoveries.

        With metta,

        Piya Tan



        On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:17 PM, P G Dave <pgd2507@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Dear Piya,
        >
        > kindly give me the link to your article on Bhavana that u mention.
        > Thanks & metta,
        >
        > PG
        > ________________________________
        >
        >
        > On 4/26/08, Piya Tan <dharmafarer@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Dear PG,
        > >
        > > My point is that there is no meditation by such a name in the Suttas.
        > > It is so called
        > > in the Commentaries and later times. Vipassana refers to "wisdom", as
        > > such it is not a meditation in itself.
        > >
        > > However, I have no problem with the modern usage, as it
        > > is a particular approach to meditation, which can be useful for some
        > > people.
        > >
        > > I have discussed some this further in in my article on
        > > Bhavana (SD 15.1)
        > >
        > > Metta,
        > >
        > > Piya
        > >
        > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:31 PM, P G Dave
        > <pgd2507@...<pgd2507%40gmail.com>>
        >
        > > wrote:
        > > > Dear Piya Tan,
        > > >
        > > > On pg. 14 of your paper I noticed the following words:
        > > > *"Vipassanâ" meditation (if there is such a meditation)"*
        > > > Does the qualification in brackets "if there is such a meditation"
        > > indicate
        > > > that the term "vipassanâ meditation" is a mis-nomer...
        > > >
        > > > Kindly explain.
        > > >
        > > > Thanks.
        > > >
        > > > with metta,
        > > > PG
        > > > ______________________________________
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > On 4/25/08, Piya Tan <dharmafarer@... <dharmafarer%40gmail.com>>
        >
        >
        > > wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > Dear Jon and friends,
        > > > >
        > > > > Glad you found the Sutta useful. As long as we keep promoting the
        > > Suttas,
        > > > > there are good chances that more people would have access to the
        > > Buddha's
        > > > > Teachings "as is".
        > > > >
        > > > > The scholar's Buddhism is fine, too, but I like my Dharma plain and
        > > early.
        > > > >
        > > > > I normally use Time Extended Romans, which should be installed in
        > > > > C:/Windows/Fonts
        > > > >
        > > > > if you don't have them.
        > > > >
        > > > > However, if the PDF works well, then it's fine.
        > > > >
        > > > > WIth metta,
        > > > >
        > > > > Piya Tan
        > > > >
        > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Jon Fernquest
        > <bayinnaung@...<bayinnaung%40yahoo.com>
        > > <bayinnaung%40yahoo.com>>
        > > >
        > > > > wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Dear Piya Tan;
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Thanks for that paper.
        > > > > > It's great.
        > > > > > I had problems with the fonts on previous
        > > > > > ones, but this one, no problems at all.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > It's hard to get references, review, and bibliography of scholarly
        > > > > > work like this.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > With metta,
        > > > > > Jon Fernquest
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com> <Pali%
        >
        >
        > > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Piya Tan"
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > <dharmafarer@...> wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Dear PG,
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > What you seek is found here:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > http://dighanikaya.googlepages.com/D16_Mahaparinibbana_S_sd9.pdf
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > See page 13-14 (section 6).
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > With metta,
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Piya Tan
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:38 PM, pgd2507 <pgd2507@...> wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Dear learned dhamma and pali scholars,
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > So karohi diipam attano
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I have seen this line translated in 2 ways:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Make an island unto yourself.
        > > > > > > > Make a lamp unto yourself.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > which of these did the Buddha intend?
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > the sanskrit words are distinct:
        > > > > > > > dviipa = island
        > > > > > > > diipa = lamp
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > but in pali both these words seem to converge to "diipa".
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > is there some help either contextual or from another part of
        > the
        > > > > > > > canon that can resolve this...
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > metta,
        > > > > > > > PG
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --
        > > > > > > The Minding Centre
        > > > > > > Blk 644 Bukit Batok Central #01-68 (2nd flr)
        > > > > > > Singapore 650644
        > > > > > > Tel: 8211 0879
        > > > > > > Meditation courses & therapy:
        > > http://themindingcentre.googlepages.com
        > > > > > > Website: dharmafarer.googlepages.com
        > > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > --
        > > > > The Minding Centre
        > > > > Blk 644 Bukit Batok Central #01-68 (2nd flr)
        > > > > Singapore 650644
        > > > > Tel: 8211 0879
        > > > > Meditation courses & therapy: http://themindingcentre.googlepages.com
        > > > > Website: dharmafarer.googlepages.com
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > > >
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        > > Singapore 650644
        > > Tel: 8211 0879
        > > Meditation courses & therapy: http://themindingcentre.googlepages.com
        > > Website: dharmafarer.googlepages.com
        > >
        > >
        > >
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