- Dear Sir
As far as my knowledge in Pali canon is concerned, bhikkus always
called Buddha, "Bagava". There is no reference where anyone calling
Buddha guru or yogi. Bagava is translated to English as "Venerable
Sir". Top Pali scholars like Nina could eliminate us on this issue.
--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Lotsawanet" <lotsawanet@...> wrote:
> Dear Yong Peng and Nina.
> I have been studying the meaning of yogi in Buddhist tradition, its
> with the term bhikku and guru, as in the culture and time where
> it was used this term to designate the ascetics in that time.
> I did not find the term yogi in the pali texts until now, but I did
> term yogavacaro.
> Does it have a definition? In wich context we found this term?
> Does it designate a bhikku?
> As we know that in the hindu tradition the teachers are called
gurus also in
> the time of Buddha, does the buddhist teachers including Buddha
> called in this way?
> Is there in the pali canon references about this?
> I found the following passage in pali canon mentioned in a book:
> "Yogavacaro panca indriya ni avikkhepe patitthapeti..."
> (Patisambhida. 184.108.40.206.62).
> Does it verify? What would be the translation of it?
> The term vacaro seems to mean "person", so in the term yogavacaro,
> to mean "a person [who practice] yoga", or "a yoga practioner".
> As for "panca indriya", it seems to mean the "five Indryas" or "the
> [acts of control of mind through] rules".
> There are five indriya.
> They are: 1. Saddhindriya (faith and confidence)
> 2. Viriyindriya (enthusiasm and perseverance)
> 3. Satindriya (the setting up of the mind)
> 4. Samadhindriya (the training in Samadhi)
> 5. Pannadriya. (the training in panna)
> I think the phrase is showing a relation with the "yogavacaro" with
> practices, or it is indicating that a "yogavacaro" is endowed with
> attainments of this trainings.
> Is that right?
> I could not find the meaning of the following words in any pali
> avikkhepe patitthapeti...
> Thanks since now for any suggestion and help.
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- Dear Yong Peng.
Thank you for your continuous attention and kindness.
Regarding my question, it since the strictly begging related to pali canon,
pali language and Nikaya-centrik.
From my first email my question was simply:
"What does the term "yogavacaro" means in pali language and pali canon?
Also I showed a passage in the pali where it appears:
Yogavacaro panca indriya ni avikkhepe patitthapeti..."
In this passage it was translated by a member as:
"The one who courses in yoga (yogaavacaaro) causes the five senses (panca
indriya) to be
established in calmness/non-disturbance (avikkhepa)."
So my question was: "Does this passage in the "pali canon" defines the term
in the pali canon?
Does a Bhikkhu which is coursing in yoga as mentioned above could be called
a yogavacaro in the pali canon?
Or the passage means someone else (not a bhikkhu or a Buddhist) that does
this kind of practice (as the hindu yogis)?
Then I mentioned that in Hindu the word is defined in a similar way by
Patanjali, and in the Mahayana Buddhism too there is a definition where it
implies someone abiding in samata and vipassana.
Would be great if in the vast literature of pali someone well learned could
give a direction or suggestion of reading where I can find the meaning and
use of the word yogavacaro.
I thank you for the list of Buddhism that you suggest, but my question here
are strictly regarding the terms and how they are defined and related in the
I am truly sorry for any confusion that maybe raised by cited other related
terms that are used in a different context. That was just in order to show
how this terms are not just used in the Hindu tradition but were also
adopted by the Indian Mahayana Buddhism.
My best wishes and regards.
From: Pali@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pali@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ong
Sent: 24 August 2007 17:29
Subject: [Pali] Re: Yogavacaro
thank you for sharing your thoughts. The group welcomes open-minded
discussions if the topic is closely related to Pali Tipitaka study.
On the other hand, you may also like to look at other broad-base
online resources which offers discussion beyond our scope, such as the
E-sangha forum: <http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/>
This mailing list emphasizes more on the Pali Tipitaka, and our
activities are mainly Pali-focused and Nikaya-centric.
--- In <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com> Pali@yahoogroups.com, Lotsawanet
I find interesting this kind of studies where we find interconnections
between the traditions and the etymologies of the their dharma terms.
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