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16088Re: [Pali] Re: Buddha and the present moment.

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  • Bryan Levman
    Sep 12, 2013
      Thanks Nina, Bryan

      From: Nina van Gorkom <vangorko@...>
      To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:37:53 AM
      Subject: Re: [Pali] Re: Buddha and the present moment.

      Dear Bryan,
      Op 7 sep 2013, om 15:05 heeft Bryan Levman het volgende geschreven:

      N: >Suppose, there would be a basic subjectivity, is it conditioned or unconditioned? Nibbaana is the unconditioned element. Other phenomena, apart from >nibbaana are conditioned. This means, they are dependent on other realities for their arising. Nobody can make them arise at willl, whenever one wishes. >Understanding this must lead to detachment. 
      >If one takes awareness for self, the "I" will grow bigger and bigger and it will lead one away from the truth of <all dhammas are anattaa>.

      Bryan: I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying that if there is a basic subjectivity then it is still conditioned? The phenomenologists assert that it is irreducible, I believe ("pure subjectivity" some call it) and innate. If it is conditioned then it ceases when one realizes nibbāna, correct?
      N: A basic subjectivity is not nibbaana, and, thus, it is conditioned. It arises and falls away each moment. I want to say, that it is not clear what is meant by it: citta or cetasika? 
      The Buddha taught conditioned realities as five khandhas. Besides these there is no other conditioned reality. 

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