can you believe there are pagan who don't think we are oppressed as a religion?
- I thought this group was safe but I was in two groups who claim that
our religion is equal to that of other religions.
Said I have no idea what oppression is and stuff.
Might I add they were very emotionally abusive.
I was shocked.
Thursday, April 5, 2007, 1:20:10 AM, you wrote:
AZ> I thought this group was safe but I was in two groups who claim that
AZ> our religion is equal to that of other religions.
AZ> Said I have no idea what oppression is and stuff.
AZ> Might I add they were very emotionally abusive.
AZ> I was shocked.
Basic human nature is pretty animal-ish. A very basic element is fear of anything different. We don't like to admit it, and with time and practice at being civilized, we have learned to deal with it.. but it is a very basic survival instinct, and it is still there. It manifests in many ways, including bias against others because of the way they believe. We all have that tendency.
Get a majority of something gathered up - and that tendency can come out against a different minority. Always. About anything.
So. Are we oppressed? Well, sure.. if one chooses to feel that way. You can choose the "I'm Pagan (or female/male, short/tall, *different race*, etc etc) and I am so oppressed" attitude. Or, not. I choose the not :-) I believe if all that you look for is the negative, then that is what you will always see - so why not (cliche time) take the high road, give the benefit of the doubt, and keep a positive attitude?
Of course, looking out for yourself IS important and if someone is trying to get away with abusing you for your religion, you need to act... but you do not have to be a victim. Nor should you be emotionally abused by those who differ in their opinions with you about religious bias... if they are hurting you.. you don't need to accept their opinion... let go, move on, it's a big world :-)
- --- In Pagan-Headstone-Campaign@yahoogroups.com, "Autumn Zuber"
> I thought this group was safe but I was in two groups who claim
our religion is equal to that of other religions. Said I have no idea
what oppression is and stuff. Might I add they were very emotionally
abusive. I was shocked.
My Dear Ms. Zuber:
This is Charles Arnold, co-founder of the Pagan Veterans Headstone
Campaign and owner of this list. I am also the same Charles Arnold as
is on the New Jersey Pagans list, the one where you claimed that
members of the list were very emotionally abusive. since you left
that group so abruptly, let me respond here to your last post on that
list. In your post you stated,
"Glad to meet you guys but I want to make a difference in this world
and too many people in this group seem to be content of the status
quo. I have fought so hard for people with disabilities and only
because of fighting to open peoples eyes are there ramps for wheel
chairs, brails for the blind and help in higher educations for those
with learning disabilities. I do not feel I can make a difference
here and I have joined many many groups who feel other than this many
of the members of this group."
You are welcome here and you can help to make a difference, if you
are willing to work hard at what may seem to be less than heroic
tasks. If you are serious, go to the files, find the letters to
congressional and senatorial representatives, cut and paste them on
your work processing software in order to make them yours, then print
and send them. Send them ONLY to your one representative and your two
senators. You can also send copies to the chairs of both the House
and Senate Veterans Affairs Committees. To send them to any other
elected official is a total waste of time.
Secondly, you can write letters to various Pagan magazines seeking
support for our campaign but please, exercise some discipline and
make good choices in what you say.
Thirdly, you can write letters to the editor of your local newspapers
but please, do not become too dramatic.
If, by any chance, you thought that the New Jersey Pagans list was
rough I can and will tell you now that the active people on this list
have been active in the Pagan community for ten to fifteen years or
more. We have been out there walking the walk and I suggest before
you let your emotions run away with you that you do a little checking
on the backgrounds of some of our members and see that we are the
ones who have been out here, dealing with discrimination and
prejudice, some since before you were born.