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Re: [Pagan-Headstone-Campaign] Why?

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  • Rosemary Kooiman
    Suggest you do some back reading and catch up on what you ve missed. ... From: lord_wica To: Pagan-Headstone-Campaign@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 15,
    Message 1 of 35 , Apr 15, 2004
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      Suggest you do some back reading and catch up on what you've missed.
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      From: lord_wica
      Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:14 PM
      Subject: [Pagan-Headstone-Campaign] Why?

      Hi, this group's link was sent to one of my yahoo groups and I just
      wanted to inquire a bit about this group.

      First off, why even campaign for this? Pentacles on headstones... I
      think real Wiccans wouldn't bother to break one of the 161 Laws of
      Wicca just to recieve religious equality after death.

      Second, who says that the pentacle is the religious symbol of Wicca?
      The only reason why pentacles are apart of the religion is because
      of the ceremonial magic that is it's background. Gardner created the
      craft of Wicca and plagarized much of Crowley's works in doing so.
      He never wanted the pentacle to be the religion's symbol! Hell, he
      didn't even want the religion to be known or publically tolerated.

      Doing this to the pentacle is degrading and shows the sincere
      ignorance that many Wiccans retain over issues surrounding their
      religion.

      I suggest all the Wiccans here should learn something about REAL
      Wicca (i.e. by joining a real Wiccan order) and keep the religion a
      secret.

      I also suggest stopping this yahoo group. There is no need to break
      Wiccan Law for this. If you don't know what the Wiccan Law is, try
      researching online for "161 Laws of Wicca".

    • Rosemary Kooiman
      Tantra, your style is magnificant, your points well thought out and your choice of words is a pleasure to read. Welcome. What part off the US do you call
      Message 35 of 35 , Apr 17, 2004
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        Tantra, your style is magnificant, your points well thought out and your choice of words is a pleasure to read.  Welcome. What part  off the US do you call home?  rk
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        Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:04 AM
        Subject: [Pagan-Headstone-Campaign] Re: Why?


        I am not Wiccan, due to the fact I study a much older tradition and
        in turn Im also eclectic...But for my own personal expression of my
        belief in the craft I have always worn the Pentacle/Pentagram....As
        you will see in this group,  there are followers of many traditions
        here  and we need to start somewhere for the rights of Pagans and
        using the Pentagram is a start.  Many traditions wear this symbol, 
        not  just  Wiccans....Also you might want to check your history a
        little more on Gerald Gardner and the man he was and what he hoped
        for the furture of Wiccan....First of all, Crowley was a student of
        Gardners, who in turn used the Craft/Wicca for his own
        gain....Gardner was not one to be totally secret...He and his coven
        did not want the craft in any way to be exploted  in any
        way...Gardner was a great teacher and through his associates helped
        to developed many a coven through out England and the world.......As
        to why this group should be here,,Because Im a Pagan Veteran  and it
        should be my right to have any Pagan symbol I choose to be on my
        headstone....whether its a Pentagram or a Ankh....Its all the Pagans
        on this list right..There are groups listed who have not been around
        as long as Wicca or  Paganism who have the right for their
        symbol....With the name Lord Wicca,  you look like a  person who was
        like Aleister Crowley,  a  man whos on a  ego trip and cares not for
        the welfare of all Pagans, but just your Wiccan self.  Please
        Wiccans, this comment was not directed towards you....Just this man
        who has no idea of what we are fighting for....Religious Rights and
        Tolerance.......Tantra

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