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  • Amber Ellis-Seguine
    I was wonder if Jacob is out there. I was searching the archives regarding imagesetters and I would love to chat with you about the information you have
    Message 1 of 5 , Jul 5, 2008
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      I was wonder if Jacob is out there. I was searching the archives
      regarding imagesetters and I would love to chat with you about the
      information you have gathered.

      I am sure this is a topic that is beat like a dead horse on the site,
      the archives however are a bit light when it comes to actual facts,
      more of it seems to be you should or should not get one. I am curious
      as to exactly how they work. My EXTREMELY limited knowledge and
      understanding is....plug it into a computer, use RIP software, push
      print and get a negative! I also don't understand the sizes of such
      machines, 2up 4up 8up? How much should a used one be? I have seen them
      online anywhere from 1000 to 10000, and new for 50K. That seems like
      such a wide range.

      If this is an annoying topic that keeps coming up feel free to
      contact me off list. Otherwise let the knowledge sharing begin!

      Thank you so much,
      Amber


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    • Andy Keck
      Don t forget that the exposed film out of the imagesetter has to go somewhere. And that somewhere would be a film processor of an appropriate size. You d need
      Message 2 of 5 , Jul 5, 2008
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        Don't forget that the exposed film out of the imagesetter has to go
        somewhere. And that somewhere would be a film processor of an
        appropriate size. You'd need a transmission densitometer too for
        calibrating the whole mess. Probably a water panel too. I haven't done
        that kind of budgeting in a while, but for a whole film workflow to
        make sense cost-wise, you'd have to be doing pretty significant volume
        on a regular basis.

        There's also a dry-process type film that might be more suitable to
        small volumes, but I suspect the equipment is more expensive up front.
        I've never used the technology as we generally skipped over it when we
        moved to platesetters.



        On Jul 5, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Amber Ellis-Seguine wrote:

        > I was wonder if Jacob is out there. I was searching the archives
        > regarding imagesetters and I would love to chat with you about the
        > information you have gathered.
        >
        > I am sure this is a topic that is beat like a dead horse on the site,
        > the archives however are a bit light when it comes to actual facts,
        > more of it seems to be you should or should not get one. I am curious
        > as to exactly how they work. My EXTREMELY limited knowledge and
        > understanding is....plug it into a computer, use RIP software, push
        > print and get a negative! I also don't understand the sizes of such
        > machines, 2up 4up 8up? How much should a used one be? I have seen them
        > online anywhere from 1000 to 10000, and new for 50K. That seems like
        > such a wide range.
        >
        > If this is an annoying topic that keeps coming up feel free to
        > contact me off list. Otherwise let the knowledge sharing begin!
        >
        > Thank you so much,
        > Amber
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      • Jacob Groth
        Hi Amber, Just got to reading my emails and saw your post. I read some of the other responses and they are pretty much in line with what I found out in my
        Message 3 of 5 , Jul 6, 2008
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          Hi Amber,

          Just got to reading my emails and saw your post. I read some of the other
          responses and they are pretty much in line with what I found out in my
          preliminary investigations. Everyone's situation is different and so it
          will ultimately come down to how much time you want to invest in this stage
          of the process. If you believe you will be needing to produce large volumes
          of negatives and can justify the investment of time to learn how to use and
          maintain the equipment, then there are definitely some good deals out there.
          I found that the cost of purchasing the equipment was not much, if anything.
          As previously mentioned in another post, most professional firms are taking
          advantage of the newer computer-to-plate technology.

          For me, the trouble of maintenance was more than I wanted to get involved
          with. If your ultimate goal is to spend most of your time in actual
          printing, then I would recommend outsourcing your negatives and/or plates
          and save yourself some time to spend investing in your printing skills.
          Additionally, as has been the case in all technology, everything will
          eventually become affordable in the future. So, I wouldn't be surprised
          that in 5 years or so we'll have the means to either make negatives or even
          plates directly from our desktop.

          Jacob Groth
          El Dorado Hills, CA

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Amber Ellis-Seguine" <amber@...>
          To: <PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 10:18 PM
          Subject: [PPLetterpress] Imagesetter and Jacob


          I was wonder if Jacob is out there. I was searching the archives
          regarding imagesetters and I would love to chat with you about the
          information you have gathered.

          I am sure this is a topic that is beat like a dead horse on the site,
          the archives however are a bit light when it comes to actual facts,
          more of it seems to be you should or should not get one. I am curious
          as to exactly how they work. My EXTREMELY limited knowledge and
          understanding is....plug it into a computer, use RIP software, push
          print and get a negative! I also don't understand the sizes of such
          machines, 2up 4up 8up? How much should a used one be? I have seen them
          online anywhere from 1000 to 10000, and new for 50K. That seems like
          such a wide range.

          If this is an annoying topic that keeps coming up feel free to
          contact me off list. Otherwise let the knowledge sharing begin!

          Thank you so much,
          Amber
        • Norman Hicks
          Hi Amber We are closing a printshop with all of what you need, Give us a call... Norman Hicks Brothers Printing Equipment 582 6th Street San Francisco,
          Message 4 of 5 , Jul 6, 2008
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            Hi Amber

            We are closing a printshop with all of what you need, Give us a call...

            Norman

            Hicks Brothers Printing Equipment
            582 6th Street
            San Francisco, California 94103-4708
            United States of America

            415-575-0933 office
            415-575-0907 fax
            415-725-1670 cell

            nh@...
            http://printingequip.com visit it repeatedly!!!

            On Jul 5, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Andy Keck wrote:

            Don't forget that the exposed film out of the imagesetter has to go
            somewhere. And that somewhere would be a film processor of an
            appropriate size. You'd need a transmission densitometer too for
            calibrating the whole mess. Probably a water panel too. I haven't done
            that kind of budgeting in a while, but for a whole film workflow to
            make sense cost-wise, you'd have to be doing pretty significant volume
            on a regular basis.

            There's also a dry-process type film that might be more suitable to
            small volumes, but I suspect the equipment is more expensive up front.
            I've never used the technology as we generally skipped over it when we
            moved to platesetters.

            On Jul 5, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Amber Ellis-Seguine wrote:

            > I was wonder if Jacob is out there. I was searching the archives
            > regarding imagesetters and I would love to chat with you about the
            > information you have gathered.
            >
            > I am sure this is a topic that is beat like a dead horse on the site,
            > the archives however are a bit light when it comes to actual facts,
            > more of it seems to be you should or should not get one. I am curious
            > as to exactly how they work. My EXTREMELY limited knowledge and
            > understanding is....plug it into a computer, use RIP software, push
            > print and get a negative! I also don't understand the sizes of such
            > machines, 2up 4up 8up? How much should a used one be? I have seen
            them
            > online anywhere from 1000 to 10000, and new for 50K. That seems like
            > such a wide range.
            >
            > If this is an annoying topic that keeps coming up feel free to
            > contact me off list. Otherwise let the knowledge sharing begin!
            >
            > Thank you so much,
            > Amber
            >
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            > www.flywheelpress.com
            > 650.620.9500
            > 650.468.9537
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          • Lamsland
            The one thing I ve not seen mentioned in this string of discussion, and not sure if it s come up before, is the cost to recycle the hazardous waste produced by
            Message 5 of 5 , Jul 7, 2008
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              The one thing I've not seen mentioned in this string of discussion,
              and not sure if it's come up before, is the cost to recycle the
              hazardous waste produced by the processor. Rapid Access films, which
              are most common, are a silver based emulsion. They require a
              processor with separate developer and fixer tanks. Hand developing is
              not recommended. Because of the level of silver left behind in the
              waste fixer it is considered hazardous waste and must be disposed of
              properly. The developer in labeled as non-hazardous, but it's not
              something you want to be dumping down the drain and should be
              disposed of properly. There are systems out there that will remove
              the silver contaminant from the waste fixer, and you can actually get
              paid for the silver left behind, but most cities and state will still
              not let you put the waste down the drain. You'll need to check with
              your local DEP or recycling company to be sure.



              Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
              Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae

              On Jul 6, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Amber Ellis-Seguine wrote:

              > I was wonder if Jacob is out there. I was searching the archives
              > regarding imagesetters and I would love to chat with you about the
              > information you have gathered.
              >
              > I am sure this is a topic that is beat like a dead horse on the site,
              > the archives however are a bit light when it comes to actual facts,
              > more of it seems to be you should or should not get one. I am curious
              > as to exactly how they work. My EXTREMELY limited knowledge and
              > understanding is....plug it into a computer, use RIP software, push
              > print and get a negative! I also don't understand the sizes of such
              > machines, 2up 4up 8up? How much should a used one be? I have seen them
              > online anywhere from 1000 to 10000, and new for 50K. That seems like
              > such a wide range.
              >
              > If this is an annoying topic that keeps coming up feel free to
              > contact me off list. Otherwise let the knowledge sharing begin!
              >
              > Thank you so much,
              > Amber
              >
              >
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              > www.flywheelpress.com
              > 650.620.9500
              > 650.468.9537
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