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  • lisaxdavidson
    Hi, everyone, In my price-reconnoitering about Sterling honeycomb base, I came across something called Blatchford patent base, which is a similar design with
    Message 1 of 10 , Jul 4, 2008
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      Hi, everyone,

      In my price-reconnoitering about Sterling honeycomb base, I came across something called
      Blatchford patent base, which is a similar design with holes and hooks. Has anyone had
      experience with this stuff, or even know how perfectly flat it is, or how thick it is?

      Thanks much,

      Lisa
    • parallel_imp
      ... across something called ... hooks. Has anyone had ... or how thick it is? Blatchford base is the same thickness as Sterling toggle base, .759 for
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 4, 2008
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        --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "lisaxdavidson"
        <lisaxdavidson@...> wrote:

        > In my price-reconnoitering about Sterling honeycomb base, I came
        across something called
        > Blatchford patent base, which is a similar design with holes and
        hooks. Has anyone had
        > experience with this stuff, or even know how perfectly flat it is,
        or how thick it is?

        Blatchford base is the same thickness as Sterling toggle base, .759"
        for 11-point plates (though Sterling also has .688" base for 1/4"
        dies). Blatchford was made out of a relatively light non-ferrous
        metal, in two sizes of L-sections, and what I have is shows more
        battering than my Sterling steel or magnesium pieces. Blatchford
        functions exactly the same as Sterling except that the holes are
        smaller and more closely spaced. Sterling has the advantage that it is
        still made, hooks are easy to get. All Blatchford is used and there is
        no source of new base or hooks, and don't expect perfectly flat
        either. But that is partly why we do interlay makeready (packing
        between base and plate to bring to .918")--to make up for
        imperfections in plate and base height.
        --Eric Holub, SF
      • Lisa Davidson
        Hi, Eric, Thanks for the info. How would you compare the ease of working with Blatchford to that of Sterling? Is it worth the extra money to get the
        Message 3 of 10 , Jul 5, 2008
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          Hi, Eric,

          Thanks for the info. How would you compare the ease of working with
          Blatchford to that of Sterling? Is it worth the extra money to get
          the Sterling, or might not that be perfectly flat either (of course
          the plates might not be . . . .)??

          Thank you,

          Lisa


          On Jul 4, 2008, at 2:01 PM, parallel_imp wrote:

          > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "lisaxdavidson"
          > <lisaxdavidson@...> wrote:
          >
          > > In my price-reconnoitering about Sterling honeycomb base, I came
          > across something called
          > > Blatchford patent base, which is a similar design with holes and
          > hooks. Has anyone had
          > > experience with this stuff, or even know how perfectly flat it is,
          > or how thick it is?
          >
          > Blatchford base is the same thickness as Sterling toggle base, .759"
          > for 11-point plates (though Sterling also has .688" base for 1/4"
          > dies). Blatchford was made out of a relatively light non-ferrous
          > metal, in two sizes of L-sections, and what I have is shows more
          > battering than my Sterling steel or magnesium pieces. Blatchford
          > functions exactly the same as Sterling except that the holes are
          > smaller and more closely spaced. Sterling has the advantage that it is
          > still made, hooks are easy to get. All Blatchford is used and there is
          > no source of new base or hooks, and don't expect perfectly flat
          > either. But that is partly why we do interlay makeready (packing
          > between base and plate to bring to .918")--to make up for
          > imperfections in plate and base height.
          > --Eric Holub, SF
          >
          >
          >



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        • nagraph1
          I believe Sterling still makes Blatchford catches as well as the several sizes of the Sterling hooks. Sterling s heritage is that of the Printing Machinery
          Message 4 of 10 , Jul 5, 2008
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            I believe Sterling still makes Blatchford catches as well as the
            several sizes of the Sterling hooks. Sterling's heritage is that of
            the Printing Machinery Corp formerly of Cincinnati, and they absorbed
            Blatchford bases, though Blatchford was once a major source of
            linecasting metal.

            Fritz


            --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "parallel_imp" <Megalonyx@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "lisaxdavidson"
            > <lisaxdavidson@> wrote:
            >
            > > In my price-reconnoitering about Sterling honeycomb base, I came
            > across something called
            > > Blatchford patent base, which is a similar design with holes and
            > hooks. Has anyone had
            > > experience with this stuff, or even know how perfectly flat it
            is,
            > or how thick it is?
            >
            > Blatchford base is the same thickness as Sterling toggle base, .759"
            > for 11-point plates (though Sterling also has .688" base for 1/4"
            > dies). Blatchford was made out of a relatively light non-ferrous
            > metal, in two sizes of L-sections, and what I have is shows more
            > battering than my Sterling steel or magnesium pieces. Blatchford
            > functions exactly the same as Sterling except that the holes are
            > smaller and more closely spaced. Sterling has the advantage that it
            is
            > still made, hooks are easy to get. All Blatchford is used and there
            is
            > no source of new base or hooks, and don't expect perfectly flat
            > either. But that is partly why we do interlay makeready (packing
            > between base and plate to bring to .918")--to make up for
            > imperfections in plate and base height.
            > --Eric Holub, SF
            >
          • Fritz Klinke
            The Sterling Honeycomb bases are what are available, so it isn t really a consideration of comparing costs, except to used base and any of that that is
            Message 5 of 10 , Jul 5, 2008
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              The Sterling Honeycomb bases are what are available, so it isn't really a consideration of comparing costs, except to used base and any of that that is available, is subject to immediate question as to accuracy, etc after unknown years of use. Sterling bases are flatter and truer than any wood base and probably the equal to Bunting and Boxcar bases for accuracy.

              Fritz

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Lisa Davidson
              To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:00 AM
              Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Blatchford patent base



              Hi, Eric,

              Thanks for the info. How would you compare the ease of working with
              Blatchford to that of Sterling? Is it worth the extra money to get
              the Sterling, or might not that be perfectly flat either (of course
              the plates might not be . . . .)??

              Thank you,

              Lisa

              On Jul 4, 2008, at 2:01 PM, parallel_imp wrote:

              > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "lisaxdavidson"
              > <lisaxdavidson@...> wrote:
              >
              > > In my price-reconnoitering about Sterling honeycomb base, I came
              > across something called
              > > Blatchford patent base, which is a similar design with holes and
              > hooks. Has anyone had
              > > experience with this stuff, or even know how perfectly flat it is,
              > or how thick it is?
              >
              > Blatchford base is the same thickness as Sterling toggle base, .759"
              > for 11-point plates (though Sterling also has .688" base for 1/4"
              > dies). Blatchford was made out of a relatively light non-ferrous
              > metal, in two sizes of L-sections, and what I have is shows more
              > battering than my Sterling steel or magnesium pieces. Blatchford
              > functions exactly the same as Sterling except that the holes are
              > smaller and more closely spaced. Sterling has the advantage that it is
              > still made, hooks are easy to get. All Blatchford is used and there is
              > no source of new base or hooks, and don't expect perfectly flat
              > either. But that is partly why we do interlay makeready (packing
              > between base and plate to bring to .918")--to make up for
              > imperfections in plate and base height.
              > --Eric Holub, SF
              >
              >
              >

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            • parallel_imp
              ... They work exactly the same, though Blatchford advertised the ease of locking up plates the size of a dime because of the close spacing of smaller holes.
              Message 6 of 10 , Jul 5, 2008
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                --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Davidson
                <lisaxdavidson@...> wrote:
                >
                > How would you compare the ease of working with
                > Blatchford to that of Sterling? Is it worth the extra money to get
                > the Sterling, or might not that be perfectly flat either (of course
                > the plates might not be . . . .)??

                They work exactly the same, though Blatchford advertised the ease of
                locking up plates the size of a dime because of the close spacing of
                smaller holes. But the only thing worth any money at all is base in
                good condition. Any piece of Blatchford base is at least forty years
                old, maybe eighty. However, even steel Sterling base can be abused,
                and anything that has been dumped in the barrel and kicked around the
                last couple decades is supect.
                I'd think a good choice would be a Blatchford or Sterling chase
                (both were available in full chases for specific presses) stored in a
                chase rack. Worst choice is a bunch of pieces from different sources
                with varying degrees of wear.
                Bear in mind that photopolymer plates must be mounted on a rigid
                plate of suitable thickness in order to use them with any patent base.
                I stress rigid because the holes in honeycomb will show in solid areas
                if there is the slightest deflection of the backing plate (well, you
                can plug the hole with dowel). In the end, there's a reason most of us
                use Bunting, Patmag or Boxcar methods of mounting photopolymer plates.
                --Eric Holub, SF
              • Lisa Davidson
                Aha, thank you, Eric. Lisa ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                Message 7 of 10 , Jul 5, 2008
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                  Aha, thank you, Eric.
                  Lisa


                  On Jul 5, 2008, at 11:25 AM, parallel_imp wrote:

                  > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Davidson
                  > <lisaxdavidson@...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > How would you compare the ease of working with
                  > > Blatchford to that of Sterling? Is it worth the extra money to get
                  > > the Sterling, or might not that be perfectly flat either (of course
                  > > the plates might not be . . . .)??
                  >
                  > They work exactly the same, though Blatchford advertised the ease of
                  > locking up plates the size of a dime because of the close spacing of
                  > smaller holes. But the only thing worth any money at all is base in
                  > good condition. Any piece of Blatchford base is at least forty years
                  > old, maybe eighty. However, even steel Sterling base can be abused,
                  > and anything that has been dumped in the barrel and kicked around the
                  > last couple decades is supect.
                  > I'd think a good choice would be a Blatchford or Sterling chase
                  > (both were available in full chases for specific presses) stored in a
                  > chase rack. Worst choice is a bunch of pieces from different sources
                  > with varying degrees of wear.
                  > Bear in mind that photopolymer plates must be mounted on a rigid
                  > plate of suitable thickness in order to use them with any patent base.
                  > I stress rigid because the holes in honeycomb will show in solid areas
                  > if there is the slightest deflection of the backing plate (well, you
                  > can plug the hole with dowel). In the end, there's a reason most of us
                  > use Bunting, Patmag or Boxcar methods of mounting photopolymer plates.
                  > --Eric Holub, SF
                  >
                  >
                  >



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                • Lamsland
                  I don t have or know about the Blatchford base, but we have and still use the Sterling Honeycomb base. Matthew LAMMY Lamoureux Full Metal Press - Operis
                  Message 8 of 10 , Jul 7, 2008
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                    I don't have or know about the Blatchford base, but we have and still
                    use the Sterling Honeycomb base.


                    Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                    Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae

                    On Jul 4, 2008, at 4:16 PM, lisaxdavidson wrote:

                    >
                    > Hi, everyone,
                    >
                    > In my price-reconnoitering about Sterling honeycomb base, I came
                    > across something called
                    > Blatchford patent base, which is a similar design with holes and
                    > hooks. Has anyone had
                    > experience with this stuff, or even know how perfectly flat it is,
                    > or how thick it is?
                    >
                    > Thanks much,
                    >
                    > Lisa
                    >
                    >
                    >



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                  • John G. Henry
                    I use both Sterling and Blatchford bases on my presses. I have chases set up with the Sterling for my cylinder press and the Blatchford for my platen press. I
                    Message 9 of 10 , Jul 7, 2008
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                      I use both Sterling and Blatchford bases on my presses. I have chases
                      set up with the Sterling for my cylinder press and the Blatchford for
                      my platen press. I find no fault with either system.

                      Take care in cleaning the bases (if you purchase used) and do not use
                      any caustic cleaners (lye, paint stripper, etc.) as the magnesium base
                      will be eaten away. That comment not from experience, but from knowing
                      the physical makeup of aluminum and magnesium.

                      I use a very stiff plastic as a base for mounting my polymer plates,
                      and have good success with no show-through of the latch holes in the
                      base. I have used steel as a mounting plate material in the past as
                      well, but have switched to the plastic as it is easier to cut and bevel
                      and works well for me. Experiment with materials you find available at
                      your local home center. Polycarbonate window glazing is certainly a
                      good material, and is available in the proper caliper to mount the
                      plates I use.

                      If you do choose to use a plastic inter-base to mount the photopolymer
                      plates, make certain you do not tighten the hooks so tight that they
                      cause the plate to warp when locked up.

                      Of course, the bases are wonderful for mounting 11pt. engravings and
                      embossing dies.
                    • Lisa Davidson
                      Thanks, John, that s extremely helpful. Lisa ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      Message 10 of 10 , Jul 7, 2008
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                        Thanks, John, that's extremely helpful.
                        Lisa

                        On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:29 AM, John G. Henry wrote:

                        > I use both Sterling and Blatchford bases on my presses. I have chases
                        > set up with the Sterling for my cylinder press and the Blatchford for
                        > my platen press. I find no fault with either system.
                        >
                        > Take care in cleaning the bases (if you purchase used) and do not use
                        > any caustic cleaners (lye, paint stripper, etc.) as the magnesium base
                        > will be eaten away. That comment not from experience, but from knowing
                        > the physical makeup of aluminum and magnesium.
                        >
                        > I use a very stiff plastic as a base for mounting my polymer plates,
                        > and have good success with no show-through of the latch holes in the
                        > base. I have used steel as a mounting plate material in the past as
                        > well, but have switched to the plastic as it is easier to cut and
                        > bevel
                        > and works well for me. Experiment with materials you find available at
                        > your local home center. Polycarbonate window glazing is certainly a
                        > good material, and is available in the proper caliper to mount the
                        > plates I use.
                        >
                        > If you do choose to use a plastic inter-base to mount the photopolymer
                        > plates, make certain you do not tighten the hooks so tight that they
                        > cause the plate to warp when locked up.
                        >
                        > Of course, the bases are wonderful for mounting 11pt. engravings and
                        > embossing dies.
                        >
                        >
                        >



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