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LaserBlack Enhancer: homemade film

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  • Ludwig M. Solzen
    On the DRUPA (Düsseldorf, Germany) right now; http://www.drupa.com/ Just found a Taiwanese manufacturer of a kit that allows to darken the output of laser
    Message 1 of 15 , May 31, 2008
      On the DRUPA (Düsseldorf, Germany) right now; http://www.drupa.com/

      Just found a Taiwanese manufacturer of a kit that allows to darken the
      output of laser transparencies upto 3 times. The kit consists out of a
      small device, similar to a desktop laminator, a 500cc flask of
      solution, and a hand dryer.

      The kit is called "LaserBlack Enhancer". One can order over the
      internet and pay with PayPal: http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/

      The kit is offered for 180 euros A4 size, and 210 euros A3 size
      (during the DRUPA the kit is offered at 145 and 170 euros resp.; the
      manufacturer is in Hall 7.2).

      The sheets that come out of the device look highly darkened indeed;
      they show some Toyobo pp plates that have been exosed through darkened
      laser transparencies, and they look all right under the magnifying
      glass. But untill I've printed from them myself, I cannot be too sure.
      (Of course, I could take them to the handpress the Mainzer Gutenberg
      Museum is demoing here :-)

      Since I fear my filmsetter service provider is about to abandon film
      soon, this might be a solution that I'm strongly considering,
      certainly considering the low cost.

      Somebody allready familiar with the LaserBlack product or similar
      solutions?
    • intelligentdawg
      Camstat Graphic Supply also sells this. They sell the kit for $450. ... the ... of a ... http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/ ... darkened ... sure.
      Message 2 of 15 , May 31, 2008
        Camstat Graphic Supply also sells this.
        They sell the kit for $450.




        --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Ludwig M. Solzen"
        <ppletterpress@...> wrote:
        >
        > On the DRUPA (Düsseldorf, Germany) right now; http://www.drupa.com/
        >
        > Just found a Taiwanese manufacturer of a kit that allows to darken
        the
        > output of laser transparencies upto 3 times. The kit consists out
        of a
        > small device, similar to a desktop laminator, a 500cc flask of
        > solution, and a hand dryer.
        >
        > The kit is called "LaserBlack Enhancer". One can order over the
        > internet and pay with PayPal:
        http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/
        >
        > The kit is offered for 180 euros A4 size, and 210 euros A3 size
        > (during the DRUPA the kit is offered at 145 and 170 euros resp.; the
        > manufacturer is in Hall 7.2).
        >
        > The sheets that come out of the device look highly darkened indeed;
        > they show some Toyobo pp plates that have been exosed through
        darkened
        > laser transparencies, and they look all right under the magnifying
        > glass. But untill I've printed from them myself, I cannot be too
        sure.
        > (Of course, I could take them to the handpress the Mainzer Gutenberg
        > Museum is demoing here :-)
        >
        > Since I fear my filmsetter service provider is about to abandon film
        > soon, this might be a solution that I'm strongly considering,
        > certainly considering the low cost.
        >
        > Somebody allready familiar with the LaserBlack product or similar
        > solutions?
        >
      • intelligentdawg
        They are located in Toronto. ... http://www.drupa.com/ ... darken ... the ... indeed; ... Gutenberg ... film
        Message 3 of 15 , May 31, 2008
          They are located in Toronto.


          --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "intelligentdawg"
          <steinsteve@...> wrote:
          >
          > Camstat Graphic Supply also sells this.
          > They sell the kit for $450.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Ludwig M. Solzen"
          > <ppletterpress@> wrote:
          > >
          > > On the DRUPA (Düsseldorf, Germany) right now;
          http://www.drupa.com/
          > >
          > > Just found a Taiwanese manufacturer of a kit that allows to
          darken
          > the
          > > output of laser transparencies upto 3 times. The kit consists out
          > of a
          > > small device, similar to a desktop laminator, a 500cc flask of
          > > solution, and a hand dryer.
          > >
          > > The kit is called "LaserBlack Enhancer". One can order over the
          > > internet and pay with PayPal:
          > http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/
          > >
          > > The kit is offered for 180 euros A4 size, and 210 euros A3 size
          > > (during the DRUPA the kit is offered at 145 and 170 euros resp.;
          the
          > > manufacturer is in Hall 7.2).
          > >
          > > The sheets that come out of the device look highly darkened
          indeed;
          > > they show some Toyobo pp plates that have been exosed through
          > darkened
          > > laser transparencies, and they look all right under the magnifying
          > > glass. But untill I've printed from them myself, I cannot be too
          > sure.
          > > (Of course, I could take them to the handpress the Mainzer
          Gutenberg
          > > Museum is demoing here :-)
          > >
          > > Since I fear my filmsetter service provider is about to abandon
          film
          > > soon, this might be a solution that I'm strongly considering,
          > > certainly considering the low cost.
          > >
          > > Somebody allready familiar with the LaserBlack product or similar
          > > solutions?
          > >
          >
        • Peter Fraterdeus
          Ludwig Thanks for this info. If you have a chance to print from a plate, I m sure we would all appreciate a report! Their website makes this process sound like
          Message 4 of 15 , May 31, 2008
            Ludwig

            Thanks for this info. If you have a chance to print from a plate, I'm sure we would all appreciate a report!
            Their website makes this process sound like a potential savior, as I think many of us are in the same situation as you, regarding the availabilty of film. I would jump on this if it turns out to be a real solution. Of course, then we are dependent on the magic formula, but I suppose that's not any different than being dependent on PP plates themselves!

            Regards

            Peter
            http://slowprint.com

            >On the DRUPA (Düsseldorf, Germany) right now; http://www.drupa.com/
            >
            >Just found a Taiwanese manufacturer of a kit that allows to darken the
            >output of laser transparencies upto 3 times. The kit consists out of a
            >small device, similar to a desktop laminator, a 500cc flask of
            >solution, and a hand dryer.
            >
            >The kit is called "LaserBlack Enhancer". One can order over the
            >internet and pay with PayPal: http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/
            ...

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            ExquisiteLetterpress http://www.slowprint.com
          • Peter Fraterdeus
            The price direct from the mfr website is about half of this. http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/english/products.htm ... -- AzByCx DwEvFu GtHsIr JqKpLo
            Message 5 of 15 , May 31, 2008
              The price direct from the mfr website is about half of this.

              http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/english/products.htm

              >They are located in Toronto.
              >
              >
              >--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "intelligentdawg"
              ><steinsteve@...> wrote:
              >>
              >> Camstat Graphic Supply also sells this.
              >> They sell the kit for $450.
              > >
              > >

              --
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              ExquisiteLetterpress http://www.slowprint.com

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            • Harold Kyle
              We tested this product when we were considering distributing it several years ago. We have in-house imagesetting, so we were able to compare the results to
              Message 6 of 15 , May 31, 2008
                We tested this product when we were considering distributing it several
                years ago. We have in-house imagesetting, so we were able to compare the
                results to real silver film. We were disappointed with the quality
                difference enough to abandon our hopes of promoting this product.
                Line-art fared okay, but with text and tonal work the gain on the
                LaserBlack transparencies was dramatic. Text that looked crisp from the
                imagesetter looked "bold" or at least "semi-bold" from the LaserBlack
                transparencies. This just reinforced our believe that outside of
                ablative mask photopolymer plates, there really is no alternative to
                real film for quality work! Feel free to experiment and double-check our
                results. It concerns me that a product like this would give photopolymer
                (and letterpress) a bad name, because it really affected the crispness
                of the end product.

                I hope this helps,
                Harold




                Ludwig M. Solzen wrote:
                >
                > On the DRUPA (Düsseldorf, Germany) right now; http://www.drupa.com/
                > <http://www.drupa.com/>
                >
                > Just found a Taiwanese manufacturer of a kit that allows to darken the
                > output of laser transparencies upto 3 times. The kit consists out of a
                > small device, similar to a desktop laminator, a 500cc flask of
                > solution, and a hand dryer.
                >
                > The kit is called "LaserBlack Enhancer". One can order over the
                > internet and pay with PayPal: http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/
                > <http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/>
                >
                > The kit is offered for 180 euros A4 size, and 210 euros A3 size
                > (during the DRUPA the kit is offered at 145 and 170 euros resp.; the
                > manufacturer is in Hall 7.2).
                >
                > The sheets that come out of the device look highly darkened indeed;
                > they show some Toyobo pp plates that have been exosed through darkened
                > laser transparencies, and they look all right under the magnifying
                > glass. But untill I've printed from them myself, I cannot be too sure.
                > (Of course, I could take them to the handpress the Mainzer Gutenberg
                > Museum is demoing here :-)
                >
                > Since I fear my filmsetter service provider is about to abandon film
                > soon, this might be a solution that I'm strongly considering,
                > certainly considering the low cost.
                >
                > Somebody allready familiar with the LaserBlack product or similar
                > solutions?
                >
                >
              • Lamsland
                Excuse the shameless plug but as an FYI to anyone who s in fear of losing their film supplier. We make films @ 2400dpi up to 24 x 29 . Most files received by
                Message 7 of 15 , May 31, 2008
                  Excuse the shameless plug but as an FYI to anyone who's in fear of
                  losing their film supplier. We make films @ 2400dpi up to 24" x 29".
                  Most files received by 2pm est ship the same day. We have no
                  intention of going away anytime soon as we supply some very busy silk
                  screeners with their positives.

                  Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                  Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae


                  EPP Supervisor
                  Brass City Printery Inc
                  (203) 574-0065 ext 106
                  Yahoo or AOL IM: Lamsland




                  On May 31, 2008, at 9:57 AM, Peter Fraterdeus wrote:

                  > Ludwig
                  >
                  > Thanks for this info. If you have a chance to print from a plate,
                  > I'm sure we would all appreciate a report!
                  > Their website makes this process sound like a potential savior, as
                  > I think many of us are in the same situation as you, regarding the
                  > availabilty of film. I would jump on this if it turns out to be a
                  > real solution. Of course, then we are dependent on the magic
                  > formula, but I suppose that's not any different than being
                  > dependent on PP plates themselves!
                  >
                  > Regards
                  >
                  > Peter
                  > http://slowprint.com
                  >
                  > >On the DRUPA (Düsseldorf, Germany) right now; http://www.drupa.com/
                  > >
                  > >Just found a Taiwanese manufacturer of a kit that allows to darken
                  > the
                  > >output of laser transparencies upto 3 times. The kit consists out
                  > of a
                  > >small device, similar to a desktop laminator, a 500cc flask of
                  > >solution, and a hand dryer.
                  > >
                  > >The kit is called "LaserBlack Enhancer". One can order over the
                  > >internet and pay with PayPal: http://www.flexotech.com.tw/laserblack/
                  > ...
                  >
                  > --
                  > AzByCx DwEvFu GtHsIr JqKpLo MnNmOl PkQjRi ShTgUf VeWdXc YbZa&@
                  > {ARTQ: Help stop in-box bloat! Always Remember to Trim the Quote!}
                  >
                  > ExquisiteLetterpress http://www.slowprint.com
                  >
                  >
                  >



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                • Gerald Lange
                  Hi Matthew What we need is for these shameless plugs to be put in the Links or Files or Database sections here, so folks can contact you on a relatively
                  Message 8 of 15 , Jun 1, 2008
                    Hi Matthew

                    What we need is for these "shameless plugs" to be put in the Links or
                    Files or Database sections here, so folks can contact you on a
                    relatively permanent basis (as long as PPL is around!!!), rather than
                    based on a post that will disappear tomorrow and is only accessible
                    through the Message Archives. The moderators will no longer do this
                    for members, it's up to you.

                    Gerald
                    PPL


                    --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Lamsland <lamsland1@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Excuse the shameless plug but as an FYI to anyone who's in fear of
                    > losing their film supplier. We make films @ 2400dpi up to 24" x 29".
                    > Most files received by 2pm est ship the same day. We have no
                    > intention of going away anytime soon as we supply some very busy silk
                    > screeners with their positives.
                    >
                    > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                    > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
                    >
                    >
                    > EPP Supervisor
                    > Brass City Printery Inc
                    > (203) 574-0065 ext 106
                    > Yahoo or AOL IM: Lamsland
                    >
                  • Lamsland
                    thanks for the tip. I m a little confused as to where to put it though? Matthew LAMMY Lamoureux Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae ...
                    Message 9 of 15 , Jun 2, 2008
                      thanks for the tip. I'm a little confused as to where to put it though?


                      Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                      Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae

                      On Jun 2, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Gerald Lange wrote:

                      > Hi Matthew
                      >
                      > What we need is for these "shameless plugs" to be put in the Links or
                      > Files or Database sections here, so folks can contact you on a
                      > relatively permanent basis (as long as PPL is around!!!), rather than
                      > based on a post that will disappear tomorrow and is only accessible
                      > through the Message Archives. The moderators will no longer do this
                      > for members, it's up to you.
                      >
                      > Gerald
                      > PPL
                      >
                      > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Lamsland <lamsland1@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Excuse the shameless plug but as an FYI to anyone who's in fear of
                      > > losing their film supplier. We make films @ 2400dpi up to 24" x 29".
                      > > Most files received by 2pm est ship the same day. We have no
                      > > intention of going away anytime soon as we supply some very busy
                      > silk
                      > > screeners with their positives.
                      > >
                      > > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                      > > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > EPP Supervisor
                      > > Brass City Printery Inc
                      > > (203) 574-0065 ext 106
                      > > Yahoo or AOL IM: Lamsland
                      > >
                      >
                      >



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                    • rziesing
                      You would think that the guys selling this (inkjet/laserjet film negative printability) would offer to just make a transparency with their process and ship it
                      Message 10 of 15 , Jun 2, 2008
                        You would think that the guys selling this (inkjet/laserjet film negative printability) would
                        offer to just make
                        a transparency with their process and ship it to you. (your layout, of course).

                        The website is almost unfathomable and I certainly wouldn't order
                        this device/system....based on their internal claims.
                      • Scott Rubel
                        On a Vandercook Universal inking roller, is there enough metal thickness to allow me to take off a few thousanths on a lathe? It is quite pitted with rust and
                        Message 11 of 15 , Jul 17, 2008
                          On a Vandercook Universal inking roller, is there enough metal thickness
                          to allow me to take off a few thousanths on a lathe? It is quite pitted
                          with rust and reducing the diameter seems to be the easiest way to make
                          it smooth again.

                          --
                          Scott Rubel
                        • nagraph1
                          Yes, it is ok to remove more than a few thousandths on any of the several steel rollers on a Universal--you don t mention specifically which one, but it s not
                          Message 12 of 15 , Jul 18, 2008
                            Yes, it is ok to remove more than a few thousandths on any of the
                            several steel rollers on a Universal--you don't mention specifically
                            which one, but it's not a concern--just don't get carried away, and
                            if it doesn't affect inking, why bother?

                            Fritz

                            --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Scott Rubel <scott@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > On a Vandercook Universal inking roller, is there enough metal
                            thickness
                            > to allow me to take off a few thousanths on a lathe? It is quite
                            pitted
                            > with rust and reducing the diameter seems to be the easiest way to
                            make
                            > it smooth again.
                            >
                            > --
                            > Scott Rubel
                            >
                          • Anthony Archer
                            Hi Scott- the surfaces of inking cylinders of presses are typically finished on a cylindrical grinder. This allows for a very smooth surface, no taper, and
                            Message 13 of 15 , Jul 20, 2008
                              Hi Scott-

                              the surfaces of inking cylinders of presses
                              are typically finished on a cylindrical grinder.
                              This allows for a very smooth surface, no taper,
                              and accurate dimensional control.

                              I would hesitate to refinish an inking cylinder
                              on a lathe. If the cylinder is cast iron, it might
                              go well. If it is constructed of steel pipe welded
                              to a mandrel, it can be difficult to get a good
                              finish with a lathe. If it isn't hurting anything,
                              I'd go with Fritz's suggestion and leave it alone.

                              If it is a problem, check with some grinding shops
                              and see what they charge. A good place to start
                              would be asking whoever sharpens the knife on your
                              paper cutter. They might be a full service plant
                              and do cylindrical and surface grinding, too. If
                              they don't, it's likely they could direct you to
                              someone who does.

                              This is from my perspective as a tool and die
                              maker with many years in the trade.


                              kind regards,


                              Tony Archer
                            • Scott Rubel
                              Thank you! Contacting LA Grinding (my knife sharpener) seems like a great idea. But first I will take your (and Fritz ) advice and see how it works once I get
                              Message 14 of 15 , Jul 20, 2008
                                Thank you! Contacting LA Grinding (my knife sharpener) seems like a
                                great idea. But first I will take your (and Fritz') advice and see
                                how it works once I get the things going again. I was just assuming I
                                would have to do something about it, but possibly some fine sanding
                                will be enough, even if it still looks bad.

                                --Scott

                                On Jul 20, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Anthony Archer wrote:

                                > Hi Scott-
                                >
                                > the surfaces of inking cylinders of presses
                                > are typically finished on a cylindrical grinder.
                                > This allows for a very smooth surface, no taper,
                                > and accurate dimensional control.
                                >
                                > I would hesitate to refinish an inking cylinder
                                > on a lathe. If the cylinder is cast iron, it might
                                > go well. If it is constructed of steel pipe welded
                                > to a mandrel, it can be difficult to get a good
                                > finish with a lathe. If it isn't hurting anything,
                                > I'd go with Fritz's suggestion and leave it alone.
                                >
                                > If it is a problem, check with some grinding shops
                                > and see what they charge. A good place to start
                                > would be asking whoever sharpens the knife on your
                                > paper cutter. They might be a full service plant
                                > and do cylindrical and surface grinding, too. If
                                > they don't, it's likely they could direct you to
                                > someone who does.
                                >
                                > This is from my perspective as a tool and die
                                > maker with many years in the trade.
                                >
                                >
                                > kind regards,
                                >
                                >
                                > Tony Archer
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
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                                >
                                >
                                >
                              • Aaron
                                How about a plating shop? My x-father-in-law had a hardward business that r plated brass. She if these a plating business in your area. There should be
                                Message 15 of 15 , Jul 21, 2008
                                  How about a plating shop? My x-father-in-law had a hardward
                                  business that r plated brass. She if these a plating business in your
                                  area. There should be able to tell the best way to correct your problem.
                                  Aaron Poscovsky
                                  pl-- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Scott Rubel <scott@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > On a Vandercook Universal inking roller, is there enough metal
                                  thickness
                                  > to allow me to take off a few thousanths on a lathe? It is quite pitted
                                  > with rust and reducing the diameter seems to be the easiest way to make
                                  > it smooth again.
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  > Scott Rubel
                                  >
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