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Re: The Vandercook Market

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  • Gerald Lange
    Jessica That s up to us. They don t know about it yet. But they are our last best hope. Gerald http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
    Message 1 of 11 , Jun 4, 2007
      Jessica

      That's up to us. They don't know about it yet. But they are our last
      best hope.

      Gerald
      http://BielerPress.blogspot.com



      --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Jessica Spring <springtide@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > what model??
      >
      > > From: "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@...>
      > > Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
      > > Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:23:55 -0000
      > > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [PPLetterpress] The Vandercook Market
      > >
      > > After two inquiries about Vandercooks today I am now telling folks to
      > > go to
      > >
      > > http://www.takachpress.com/
      > >
      > > and plead, tell them the market for a letterpress flatbed cylinder is
      > > in place, and is exploding. That the pricing is almost there. Build
      > > the press now.
      > >
      > > One informant told me that the pricing has hit a new high. $8,000.
      > > Offered not even in the door yet from the Printing Museum.
      > >
      > > Gerald
      > > http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
    • speedgray@aol.com
      Listers: With the Vandercook market pretty much out of control right now, and with many new, younger folks entering the letterpress world the shortage of
      Message 2 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
        Listers:

        With the Vandercook market pretty much out of control right now, and with
        many new, younger folks entering the "letterpress world" the shortage of these
        machines will only get worse, and therefore the prices will continue to rise.

        Is there now a sufficient market to go overseas and have a "Vandercook 21st
        Century" manufactured. Most of the original machine drawings still exists.
        Quality from "over there" is top notch, and metallurgy has improved over the
        past 20 years. Imported machine tools are now as good (or better) than anything
        manufactured in the US.

        So, wouldn't having a simple machine like a Vandercook proof press made
        overseas seem a reasonable solution to the shortage problem?

        Why doesn't some letterpress entrepreneur step forward, grab the bull by the
        horns, and start the ball rolling. At least do a cost/benefit analysis. Have
        it made for $2500 over there, sell it here for $5000, double your money.
        Seems like a good business plan to me!

        Speed Gray
        Letterpress Green Sheet
        Ada, MI



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      • nagraph1
        Even the Chinese don t do things for free. The initial start up costs, like pattern making for cylinders, handles and a couple of other parts has to be
        Message 3 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
          Even the Chinese don't do things for free. The initial start up
          costs, like pattern making for cylinders, handles and a couple of
          other parts has to be considered along with the machining and
          assembly. We have some critical patterns in our ownership, like the
          worm for the ink distributor roller and the crescent, and the only
          other pattern lying about is the bed pattern for the SP-15. It could
          be done, but I think $2500 is a nice dream at best. The press to
          build would be the Universal I as being a superior press to the SP-
          15.

          Fritz

          --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, speedgray@... wrote:
          >
          > Listers:
          >
          > With the Vandercook market pretty much out of control right now,
          and with
          > many new, younger folks entering the "letterpress world" the
          shortage of these
          > machines will only get worse, and therefore the prices will
          continue to rise.
          >
          > Is there now a sufficient market to go overseas and have
          a "Vandercook 21st
          > Century" manufactured. Most of the original machine drawings still
          exists.
          > Quality from "over there" is top notch, and metallurgy has
          improved over the
          > past 20 years. Imported machine tools are now as good (or better)
          than anything
          > manufactured in the US.
          >
          > So, wouldn't having a simple machine like a Vandercook proof press
          made
          > overseas seem a reasonable solution to the shortage problem?
          >
          > Why doesn't some letterpress entrepreneur step forward, grab the
          bull by the
          > horns, and start the ball rolling. At least do a cost/benefit
          analysis. Have
          > it made for $2500 over there, sell it here for $5000, double your
          money.
          > Seems like a good business plan to me!
          >
          > Speed Gray
          > Letterpress Green Sheet
          > Ada, MI
          >
        • Peter Fraterdeus
          ... Fritz Interesting that you say this... say more, if you would! I ve got a Uni I, and always had the impression that I had the poor cousin compared to the
          Message 4 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
            At 3:04 PM +0000 5 06 07, nagraph1 wrote:
            >... The press to
            >build would be the Universal I as being a superior press to the SP-
            >15.
            >
            >Fritz

            Fritz

            Interesting that you say this... say more, if you would!

            I've got a Uni I, and always had the impression that I had the poor cousin compared to the shiny SP-15s everyone was lusting after ;-)

            Ciao
            Peter

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          • Jessica Spring
            Actually, I was wondering if you knew what model sold for $8000. --Jessica
            Message 5 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
              Actually, I was wondering if you knew what model sold for $8000.
              --Jessica

              > From: "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@...>
              > Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              > Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:35:09 -0000
              > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: The Vandercook Market
              >
              > Jessica
              >
              > That's up to us. They don't know about it yet. But they are our last
              > best hope.
              >
              > Gerald
              > http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Jessica Spring <springtide@...>
              > wrote:
              >>
              >> what model??
              >>
              >>> From: "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@...>
              >>> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              >>> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:23:55 -0000
              >>> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              >>> Subject: [PPLetterpress] The Vandercook Market
              >>>
              >>> After two inquiries about Vandercooks today I am now telling folks to
              >>> go to
              >>>
              >>> http://www.takachpress.com/
              >>>
              >>> and plead, tell them the market for a letterpress flatbed cylinder is
              >>> in place, and is exploding. That the pricing is almost there. Build
              >>> the press now.
              >>>
              >>> One informant told me that the pricing has hit a new high. $8,000.
              >>> Offered not even in the door yet from the Printing Museum.
              >>>
              >>> Gerald
              >>> http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
            • speedgray@aol.com
              Fritz: I picked $2500 out of thin air. It s probably low. But, we ll never know until we ask, will we. Hey, you re the keeper of the Vandercook name; how about
              Message 6 of 11 , Jun 5, 2007
                Fritz:

                I picked $2500 out of thin air. It's probably low. But, we'll never know
                until we ask, will we.

                Hey, you're the keeper of the Vandercook name; how about getting into this.
                If there are up-front investments required, solicit some support from the
                list. Let some of us invest for a "piece of the action."

                Speed



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              • Gerald Lange
                Jessica One of the 15s with a hyphen after the 15 followed by a couple of numbers. I deleted the email and can t recall exactly. The $8,000 is the asking
                Message 7 of 11 , Jun 6, 2007
                  Jessica

                  One of the 15s with a hyphen after the 15 followed by a couple of
                  numbers. I deleted the email and can't recall exactly. The $8,000 is
                  the asking price. From what I was told it is cleaned up and ready for
                  sale. That's all I know about it and all I want to.

                  Gerald
                  http://BielerPress.blogspot.com


                  >
                  > Actually, I was wondering if you knew what model sold for $8000.
                  > --Jessica
                  >
                  > > From: "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@...>
                  > > Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:35:09 -0000
                  > > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: The Vandercook Market
                  > >
                  > > Jessica
                  > >
                  > > That's up to us. They don't know about it yet. But they are our last
                  > > best hope.
                  > >
                  > > Gerald
                  > > http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Jessica Spring <springtide@>
                  > > wrote:
                  > >>
                  > >> what model??
                  > >>
                  > >>> From: "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@>
                  > >>> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                  > >>> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:23:55 -0000
                  > >>> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                  > >>> Subject: [PPLetterpress] The Vandercook Market
                  > >>>
                  > >>> After two inquiries about Vandercooks today I am now telling
                  folks to
                  > >>> go to
                  > >>>
                  > >>> http://www.takachpress.com/
                  > >>>
                  > >>> and plead, tell them the market for a letterpress flatbed
                  cylinder is
                  > >>> in place, and is exploding. That the pricing is almost there. Build
                  > >>> the press now.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> One informant told me that the pricing has hit a new high. $8,000.
                  > >>> Offered not even in the door yet from the Printing Museum.
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Gerald
                  > >>> http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>>
                  > >>
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • Paul Moxon
                  Probably a 15-21. The link between the 4 and the Uni I. An adjustable bed is standard I recall not long ago hearing about a pair of No.4s supposedly never used
                  Message 8 of 11 , Jun 6, 2007
                    Probably a 15-21. The link between the 4 and the Uni I. An adjustable bed is standard

                    I recall not long ago hearing about a pair of No.4s supposedly never used and in original
                    crates for the asking price of $8,500. There was an SP20 on Briar Press about a year ago
                    offered for $12,000. Now that's over-valued!

                    Friends and listers, I am still seeking help in compiling a vandercook census <http://
                    vandercookpress.info/vanderblog/census/> To date, I have listed 769 presses, albeit
                    some of this data is incomplete. I write to many owners/caretakers individually with mixed
                    success. I have gotten help from several folks (Alex Brooks, Terry Chouinard, Duncan
                    Dempster, Eric Holub, Nicholas Kennedy, Daniel Morris, Michael Russem, Dave Seat, Hal
                    Sterne, Bernie Vinzani, and Bill Whitley.

                    Still, there are quite a few people I have yet to contact and I'm certain that there many
                    more unknown to me. The census wont stabilize prices, but I do think that it contributes
                    to the collective knowledge for maintaining the ones in use. (OK, the census does include
                    a couple of lawn ornaments.)

                    See also my other fledgling censuses for Asbern, Challenge, FAG, Reprex, et al.

                    Thanks, Paul (vanderdork)



                    --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Jessica
                    >
                    > One of the 15s with a hyphen after the 15 followed by a couple of
                    > numbers. I deleted the email and can't recall exactly. The $8,000 is
                    > the asking price. From what I was told it is cleaned up and ready for
                    > sale. That's all I know about it and all I want to.
                    >
                    > Gerald
                    > http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
                    >
                    >
                    > >
                    > > Actually, I was wondering if you knew what model sold for $8000.
                    > > --Jessica
                    > >
                    > > > From: "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@>
                    > > > Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:35:09 -0000
                    > > > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: The Vandercook Market
                    > > >
                    > > > Jessica
                    > > >
                    > > > That's up to us. They don't know about it yet. But they are our last
                    > > > best hope.
                    > > >
                    > > > Gerald
                    > > > http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Jessica Spring <springtide@>
                    > > > wrote:
                    > > >>
                    > > >> what model??
                    > > >>
                    > > >>> From: "Gerald Lange" <Bieler@>
                    > > >>> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    > > >>> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:23:55 -0000
                    > > >>> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    > > >>> Subject: [PPLetterpress] The Vandercook Market
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>> After two inquiries about Vandercooks today I am now telling
                    > folks to
                    > > >>> go to
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>> http://www.takachpress.com/
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>> and plead, tell them the market for a letterpress flatbed
                    > cylinder is
                    > > >>> in place, and is exploding. That the pricing is almost there. Build
                    > > >>> the press now.
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>> One informant told me that the pricing has hit a new high. $8,000.
                    > > >>> Offered not even in the door yet from the Printing Museum.
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>> Gerald
                    > > >>> http://BielerPress.blogspot.com
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>>
                    > > >>
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • lemontreepress@aol.com
                    In a message dated 6/6/2007 8:16:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, moxon@fameorshame.com writes: there are quite a few people I have yet to contact Hi Paul..I
                    Message 9 of 11 , Jun 6, 2007
                      In a message dated 6/6/2007 8:16:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
                      moxon@... writes:

                      there are quite a few people I have yet to contact


                      Hi Paul..I just looked at the census and I see I am listed BUT neither I nor
                      my press are located in Santa Cruz. I'd LOVE to be located in Santa Cruz but
                      we (me and my Universal 1 ) are in Rancho Santa Fe near San Diego. I'll send
                      you the other info off-line.
                      Best wishes,
                      Nancy Bloch



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