- Dear Listers,
Resuming the thread of inktraps discourse we worked out a PDF showing the
different stages from the digital letter to the printing result and how
inktraps work with the different cuts of our Rialto.
The PDF can be found by going to the site at:
and clicking on Files.
When this page opens, click on Resources, Announcements.
The PDF is listed here on this page as Intraps RialtoDF.pdf
Note: anyone who wants to download this PDF or view it on screen will need a
Yahoo ID to visite the site.
You can also send us an e-mail inquiry and we will gladly send you the PDF
in response and if you want also more detailled information about our
Hope to contribute with this message to a clear understanding about the
issue as well as how our Rialto works.
Giovanni, Waltraud & Lui
- Dear fellow printers:
I have been following with interest the thread about ink traps, and I admire
the work of those who are crafting digital fonts so that they print well
with letterpress under a variety of conditions. However, I'm not at that
stage (yet), and am trying to work with what I do have. To wit:
For those of you (if any) who use Adobe Illustrator: I have had several
service bureaus ask me to submit files to them with the fonts turned to
outlines, which, as you may know, takes the fonts and makes them a graphic,
thus obviating the need for also submitting fonts along with my file.
However, this step really reeks havoc on smaller font sizes, apparently
adding a bit of stroke, making them fatter than normal. With a laser proof,
the fonts appear noticeably darker, almost bold. In printing, this usually
adds way too much ink spread and the results become unacceptable. Even
Adobe, in their Illustrator documentation, discourages using this step in
smaller font sizes. There are some fonts where this effect is not so
pronounced. Since I'm not a font technician, I don't know why it works
sometimes for one font, but mostly not for all the rest.
I have heard some say that this increase in bulk of the fonts is actually
desirable in letterpress, that digital fonts are actually too thin by
themselves and need a bit of "beefing up." But my own experience has been
the opposite. Since I primarily print on soft rag papers, I don't need any
additional spread, thank you. As a result, I encourage my service bureaus
and platemakers to accept files with type as type, not outlines, and load
the fonts. This makes an extra step for them, but I have yet to be charged
extra for this, and I find it worthwhile.
Are there others out there who have had similar experiences? Comments?
Ars Brevis Press
Outlines of larger point sizes in illustrator is essential to good RIP
output. However, when working with smaller point sizes why not place the
illustrator file (with the larger points sizes outlined) in a Quark file that
has the smaller point sizes as part of that Quark document? That is unless
the treatment of the fonts needs the Illustrator advantages. But be very
careful since the fonts in Illustrator when placed in Quark must then be
outlined since often it will go unnoticed that the fonts are missing when
collecting for download. A program such as Flightcheck can be of assistance
in this checking for fonts.
The Tideline Press
- Hmmm... I'm afraid I don't see the advantage of placing an Illustrator eps
file into Quark. As far as I know, an Illustrator file placed in another
program will still require the fonts. Quark will warn of missing fonts in an
embedded EPS file when you go to print it, although admittedly, this
function is far from perfect. However, your suggestion brought up another
point. Perhaps using a PDF might work to get around the cumbersome packaging
of fonts when sending files to service bureaus. However, I have not run
tests to see if PDF will also change the look of the type. Has anyone else?
Ars Brevis Press
> From: LSeastone@...
> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:36:14 EDT
> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Outlines in Illustrator
> Outlines of larger point sizes in illustrator is essential to good RIP
> output. However, when working with smaller point sizes why not place the
> illustrator file (with the larger points sizes outlined) in a Quark file that
> has the smaller point sizes as part of that Quark document? That is unless
> the treatment of the fonts needs the Illustrator advantages. But be very
> careful since the fonts in Illustrator when placed in Quark must then be
> outlined since often it will go unnoticed that the fonts are missing when
> collecting for download. A program such as Flightcheck can be of assistance
> in this checking for fonts.
> Leonard Seastone
> The Tideline Press
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