Re: [PPLetterpress] Fat lines
Picking up on Harold's question, what film are you using? Are you doing anything different? Could be bad film to plate contact.
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From: Harold Kyle <harold@...>;
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Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Fat lines
Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 6:35:41 PMWell, if you think the brushes are to blame, can you lower them on this machine so that they're not putting so much pressure on the plate? The bristles should be as low as possible without leaving residue on the plate backing. Any signs of wear or do they still look new?Since density issues can affect anyone processing film, I'd still check that. I'd bet your service provider could check the density, and the dmax should be over 4.0.ThanksHaroldOn Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Ian Bristow <ductormanpaperboy@...> wrote:Hey Harold
The lines are getting fatter, I find that it is almost like there is a stroke around some letters and some lines. It is hard
to capture a good image of the plates with the camera. But I am 99% certain it is the brushes causing the problem
by not washing away the excess material. I will be getting some new brushes soon but just wanted to eliminate
any other possible problems. I have never had any issues with the KF95 plates, the only thing I have changed
over the last year is the back exposure for 25 seconds. Since I put in the new bulbs in if I back expose the plates they
will not wash out properly so I avoid that step now. I have been using a good service provider for the film and the
density is not an issue. I'll try and get some pics to send along.
Oh and glad to hear that the chaps across the pond are embracing modern technology:) I'm sure they do not make
the bulbs over there either as I think that the company that makes these machines has been out of business for the
last gazillion years.
Ian--Boxcar Press509 W. Fayette St. #135Syracuse, NY 13204
- Hey Harold
Unfortunately I cannot raise or lower the brushes on the machine. The brushes do need replacing I just wanted to check to see if there may
be something else contributing to the situation. I will check with my film guy to check the D-Max.
- I really think that fat lines are more likely to have something to do with too little exposure or a film problem or contact problem. It seems like bad brushes would simply give you the problem of not washing out to the bottom quickly enough. For lines too thick I would check vacuum and be sure all your lights are going. I could be wrong, but that's what sounds like the hierarchy of your trouble to me.I recently had a mystery that cost me about $110 before I figured it out. My film supplier was giving me negatives that were not dense enough. This resulted in some exposure of the plate, making the entire washout take too long and ruin thin lines during the washout. It took me so many tried before I considered this because for years I had never had a bad negative from my source. They fixed it as soon as I pointed it out to them.--ScottOn Jul 9, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Peter Bruce wrote:
- You could wash a plate by hand, just rotating it on the brushes until everything 'is washed away. That will tell you if it is the negative or the brushes causing the problems.Assume your vacuum and kreen (sp) are in good shape and you are getting definitefull contact between the plate and the film.
- Have you checked the exposure with a stouffer scale? When I changed the bulbs in my Polimero A4 to Sylvania black light bulbs the exposure was all over the place. It took quite a while for them to 'burn in' and stabilize. In fact it still varies with ambient temp. and how warmed up the machine is.
Let us know how your new brushes work out. I may need new brushes in mine, sooner or later.
--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <ductormanpaperboy@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone
> I have been using the same plate maker for a while now and think it is time for new brushes. I am starting to get fatter lines and reverses are not washing out. I am concerned that there may also be an exposure issue.
> I know that the brushes are finished but I am wondering if this would also cause the fatter lines? I did try reducing exposure times but am finding no difference.
> The raw photopolymer is from Boxcar and are KF95 plates exposed at 3 minutes with a washout between 4-5 minutes.
> I replaced the bulbs about 4 months ago. I was unable to get the same bulbs as the machine is from Europe
> (Polimero A-5) so I put in black lights with the same wattage. These have been working fine but I am wondering if it is possible they may be also starting to cause problems.
> Sorry for the short book