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Re: [PPLetterpress] Letterpress

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  • Peter Fraterdeus
    Scott I agree with some gripes, not with others. And philosophically nearly line for line the same ;-) Thanks for the succinct expression of pricing
    Message 1 of 51 , Feb 9, 2012

      I agree with some gripes, not with others.
      And philosophically nearly line for line the same ;-) Thanks for the succinct expression of pricing principles.

      It's a great irony of some sort that one must be wealthy to support a good socialist cause. I tell my friends that if they want to bring the paper and learn how to clean the presses PROPERLY, I'd be happy to help get the message out.

      On the other hand, if the "cause" somehow expects, or worse, demands, that I prefer to work for free, or less (providing materials, and time and covering overhead, etc) I somehow become a lot less enthusiastic.



      On 9 Feb 2012, at 11:54 AM, Scott Rubel wrote:

      I do disagree with the gripes.

      You have a skill (the craft so long to learn) and, when you spend your irretrievable time doing it for someone else making something beautiful, those with means and taste are there for you. When anyone sniffles about the cost of anything they want me to do for them, I tell them I could be hiking in the mountains instead of working for them. The ones with the deepest pockets are often those with the shortest arms and the loudest arguments, and my patience is run out with them. I'm through arguing, or trying to "educate." Beauty is beauty and if a customer has means and taste, I'll do something fantastic and she'll appreciate it. If she has means and no taste, I'll give her what she pays for without complaining. If I get someone with little means, and she is absolutely, passionately, from somewhere deep inside, swooning over the desire for something beautiful, I am likely to put more of myself into it for that customer because she is a soul mate of sorts. I don't blame anyone who cannot afford to buy my time. I can't afford to buy my own time, either, so I understand. If I could afford myself I'd be cranking out propaganda for the 99% all day long.

      Maybe I've got a bit of the socialist gene, but only a bit.


      On Feb 8, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Peter Fraterdeus wrote:

      I get gripes all the time from clients ;-)

      I think the point that some folks make is that only the wealthy can afford these things, that the objects are too precious and self-involved, etc. I can't disagree entirely, when a single book sells for an annual income or more.

      Fortunately, the artists/printers/publishers will keep making what we make anyway. 

      Some of our work may be Occupy posters - or Proceed and Be Bold posters or Dada street art. Other work may be fine works which will be treasured by future bibliophiles, as we treasure the work of Aldus and Plantin and Tzara and Hamady.



      Peter Fraterdeus
      Exquisite letterpress takes time™ 
      tweet: @slowprint

    • Silber MaiKätzchen
      To tell the truth, I really enjoy the planning, prepress, and bindery of complex jobs more than the presswork. Right now I have a case bound, (Smythe Sewen,)
      Message 51 of 51 , Feb 12, 2012
        To tell the truth, I really enjoy the planning, prepress,
        and bindery of complex jobs more than the presswork.
        Right now I have a case bound, (Smythe Sewen,)
        project in house that includes eleven gatfold illustrations,
        one six pages long. After a lot of careful planning
        I am looking for fun on the folder.
        Dum loquimur, fugerit invida Aetas:
        Carpe diem!
        quam minimum credula postero!

        Odes Book I

        From: Austin Jones <austin@...>
        To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sun, February 12, 2012 4:39:39 AM
        Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Letterpress

        With regard to communities - Lets add a couple more distinctions. There are great technicians and there are great designers. I once had an art teacher who was a great technician on the litho stone. she could print from a stone with a technique like no other, but couldn't create a design if her life depended on it. I know others who can design some very interesting layouts, but their ability to execute left lots to be desired. I also know a printer who once told me he loved to get the first two or three prints off the press then it was all work and boring from that point on.
        So, it is all in the details. I recall from a workshop I attended several years ago on the jurying process. The issues raised were design, function, and execution. Every piece can be looked at with these elements in mind. How well is the piece designed; How well does it do its job; and how well was the design executed.
        While we may choose to see a work as a whole, I think it is more fair and complete to look at the various elements.  This way we are likely to see the work for its true value.
        Just one more thought on how we can choose to see a printed item.

        Austin Jones
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:50 AM
        Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Letterpress


        Aye, and there’s two communities, the makers and the buyers. To a large extent the makers can take care of themselves so far as process goes – that is if they have enough wit to find and open a few books, and maybe visit a few existing makers. It’s the buyers I think we need to be more concerned about, thus the value of the bibliophile clubs, the FPBA, the book Fairs, the newspaper/magazine/journal articles, and of course our own well printed ephemera. Personally I still think there would be a great value in forming, very specifically,  a society of letterpress book makers, whose members would be committed to making good publicity for the process, to explain it to potential new buyers, but I think I’m in a minority of one, at least as far as any response indicates. The FPBA has gone in a quite different direction, and as good as it is, it’s too inward looking for any growth in educated patrons of the book makers. So it’s head down and into the wind.

        Hey ho!

        Graham Moss
        Incline Press
        36 Bow Street
        Oldham OL1 1SJ  England



        I'd agree with this, isn't "push back against ignorance" what education is all about? or should be? This forum (and others like it) wouldn't exist if we all just quietly ignored the community.


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