- Hello and Good Morning!
I am sure I am not as eloquent as folks participating in this conversation, and certainly not as succinct as Ensign Chekov, but I will offer --
I am fortunate to witness fine printing happening on a regular basis, being carried out by graduate students in Chicago, working on their printing practices and skills, and I find that very encouraging.
I also have the good fortune to teach introductory letterpress printing to the community at large, and am delighted to realize that while they don't exactly know the language yet, many of the students I see are actively seeking ways to learn to participate in the discussion of letterpress printing, and more importantly, their tastes do run the range and that does include some with an inclination toward fine printing.
The populace at large will never ever be able to grasp the subtleties of fine printing - they are just too large a group. However, I believe among this group, many of whom are young and/or naive, there are some with the sensibilities to appreciate the variations and differences of printing and they will push beyond old sign type from a barrel set ransom-note style to seek out more and more interesting print work . . . it's just a matter of needing some time to learn, outlets to discover it, and meeting others interested in sharing their knowledge.
--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Smith" <fsmith01@...> wrote:
> "Is old Russian Proverb. To grow beautiful rose, one must endure much manure." - Ensign Chekov, USS Enterprise
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Fraterdeus
> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Letterpress
> Heavens no.
> I wouldn't expect intelligent discussion in any type of online public forum ;-)
> I do know that there are some folks with a legitimate gripe about the elitist nature and prohibitive costs of fine printing. They would rather slap something on the press for an Occupy manifesto set ransom note style from a barrel of old sign type.
> But that's really comparing apples and oranges. There are probably more people using relief process with old presses than ever. While the craft of letterpress may seem lost in the flurry of sloppy work, I've seen too much gorgeous work to worry that there will be no more fine books.
> Guess we'll have to wait and see. A thesis subject for some yet unborn design historian.
- To tell the truth, I really enjoy the planning, prepress,and bindery of complex jobs more than the presswork.Right now I have a case bound, (Smythe Sewen,)project in house that includes eleven gatfold illustrations,one six pages long. After a lot of careful planningI am looking for fun on the folder.MaiKätzchen
quam minimum credula postero!
Odes Book I
From: Austin Jones <austin@...>
Sent: Sun, February 12, 2012 4:39:39 AM
Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: LetterpressWith regard to communities - Lets add a couple more distinctions. There are great technicians and there are great designers. I once had an art teacher who was a great technician on the litho stone. she could print from a stone with a technique like no other, but couldn't create a design if her life depended on it. I know others who can design some very interesting layouts, but their ability to execute left lots to be desired. I also know a printer who once told me he loved to get the first two or three prints off the press then it was all work and boring from that point on.So, it is all in the details. I recall from a workshop I attended several years ago on the jurying process. The issues raised were design, function, and execution. Every piece can be looked at with these elements in mind. How well is the piece designed; How well does it do its job; and how well was the design executed.While we may choose to see a work as a whole, I think it is more fair and complete to look at the various elements. This way we are likely to see the work for its true value.Just one more thought on how we can choose to see a printed item.
austin@...----- Original Message -----From: Incline PressSent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:50 AMSubject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Letterpress
Aye, and there’s two communities, the makers and the buyers. To a large extent the makers can take care of themselves so far as process goes – that is if they have enough wit to find and open a few books, and maybe visit a few existing makers. It’s the buyers I think we need to be more concerned about, thus the value of the bibliophile clubs, the FPBA, the book Fairs, the newspaper/magazine/journal articles, and of course our own well printed ephemera. Personally I still think there would be a great value in forming, very specifically, a society of letterpress book makers, whose members would be committed to making good publicity for the process, to explain it to potential new buyers, but I think I’m in a minority of one, at least as far as any response indicates. The FPBA has gone in a quite different direction, and as good as it is, it’s too inward looking for any growth in educated patrons of the book makers. So it’s head down and into the wind.
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I'd agree with this, isn't "push back against ignorance" what education is all about? or should be? This forum (and others like it) wouldn't exist if we all just quietly ignored the community.