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  • matthew lamoureux
    Next time I m there I m going to bring my table top micrometer. It s an extremely precise dial caliper mounted on a stand. The thing that s bothering me is we
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      Next time I'm there I'm going to bring my table top micrometer. It's an
      extremely precise dial caliper mounted on a stand. The thing that's bothering me is we
      ordered the base ground to Boxcar's specs listed on their site, .858".
      The hand held dial caliper reads .8585". We measured the base and plate together while the base was locked in the chase, which was a bit tricky, but checked it a couple of times and got .922". Without actually measuring the plate alone that would mean the plate was .0635" - .064". Why would the plates be .004" higher than what's listed on the site for 152SB?



      ________________________________


      A thinner plate ia indicated; If you are using a 152 go to a 145.
      --Eric Holub, SF




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    • Harold Kyle
      Matthew: Our records show that you purchased KF152, which measures 0.060 but ships with 0.004 film adhesive. This means the plate should measure 0.064 thick.
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        Matthew:

        Our records show that you purchased KF152, which measures 0.060 but ships
        with 0.004 film adhesive. This means the plate should measure 0.064 thick.
        Is your plate transparent or does it have a rigid metal back? Transparent
        means KF152.

        I couldn't find a base purchase under your name in our system, which I would
        need to get the exact measurements of your base. I would be astonished if we
        shipped a 0.8585" base, which is way out of spec. The actual thickness
        should be 0.0853 +/- 0.001. Can you share with me the serial number stamped
        on the side?

        I don't see reference to 0.858" as the base thickness on boxcarpress.com,
        but I do see this height mentioned incorrectly on some other websites. I'll
        write to them to clarify in order to avoid any future confusion. The correct
        height is 0.853".

        Thanks
        Harold

        On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@...>wrote:

        >
        >
        > Next time I'm there I'm going to bring my table top micrometer. It's an
        > extremely precise dial caliper mounted on a stand. The thing that's
        > bothering me is we
        > ordered the base ground to Boxcar's specs listed on their site, .858".
        > The hand held dial caliper reads .8585". We measured the base and plate
        > together while the base was locked in the chase, which was a bit tricky, but
        > checked it a couple of times and got .922". Without actually measuring the
        > plate alone that would mean the plate was .0635" - .064". Why would the
        > plates be .004" higher than what's listed on the site for 152SB?
        >
        > ________________________________
        >
        > A thinner plate ia indicated; If you are using a 152 go to a 145.
        > --Eric Holub, SF
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
        >



        --
        ---
        Boxcar Press
        501 W. Fayette St. #222
        Syracuse, NY 13204
        www.boxcarpress.com


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      • engrossersscript@aol.com
        I am helping a dear friend of mine do her invitation. We want to do letterpress (though I dnt have one I am able to use the ones at the Printing Museum and
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          I am helping a dear friend of mine do her invitation. We want to do letterpress (though I dnt have one I am able to use the ones at the Printing Museum and also a good friend of mine has two that are run with motors. I have never done anything like this before and I should of thought about this before offering. I know I need a plate, she also wants something embossed on them and we will also do the envelopes.... can ANY ONE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me with this project or give me any ideas? I have asked a few of the member of the Museum and noone has returned my emails or calls.... =( I have lots of time the wedding is not till next year but I want to start working on this asap so I dnt rush it! Any ideas or comments please feel free and thank you all talented printers =)

          Leenah
          www.thevintagehand.com


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        • Harold Kyle
          OK I was confused by this thread, and talked with Matthew off-list. Apparently he has a Bunting base, which is 0.858, as we do mention on our website. That
          Message 4 of 28 , Dec 9, 2009
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            OK I was confused by this thread, and talked with Matthew off-list.
            Apparently he has a Bunting base, which is 0.858, as we do mention on our
            website. That much is correct. I thought mistakenly he was referring to our
            Deep Relief base. He is also apparently ordering 152SB steel backed plates
            but I can't see how they would be thicker than 0.060. He's going to test
            them with another measuring tool and report back.

            Sorry for the confusion!
            Harold

            On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Harold Kyle <harold@...> wrote:

            > Matthew:
            >
            > Our records show that you purchased KF152, which measures 0.060 but ships
            > with 0.004 film adhesive. This means the plate should measure 0.064 thick.
            > Is your plate transparent or does it have a rigid metal back? Transparent
            > means KF152.
            >
            > I couldn't find a base purchase under your name in our system, which I
            > would need to get the exact measurements of your base. I would be astonished
            > if we shipped a 0.8585" base, which is way out of spec. The actual thickness
            > should be 0.0853 +/- 0.001. Can you share with me the serial number stamped
            > on the side?
            >
            > I don't see reference to 0.858" as the base thickness on boxcarpress.com,
            > but I do see this height mentioned incorrectly on some other websites. I'll
            > write to them to clarify in order to avoid any future confusion. The correct
            > height is 0.853".
            >
            > Thanks
            > Harold
            >
            > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@...>wrote:
            >
            >>
            >>
            >> Next time I'm there I'm going to bring my table top micrometer. It's an
            >> extremely precise dial caliper mounted on a stand. The thing that's
            >> bothering me is we
            >> ordered the base ground to Boxcar's specs listed on their site, .858".
            >> The hand held dial caliper reads .8585". We measured the base and plate
            >> together while the base was locked in the chase, which was a bit tricky, but
            >> checked it a couple of times and got .922". Without actually measuring the
            >> plate alone that would mean the plate was .0635" - .064". Why would the
            >> plates be .004" higher than what's listed on the site for 152SB?
            >>
            >> ________________________________
            >>
            >> A thinner plate ia indicated; If you are using a 152 go to a 145.
            >> --Eric Holub, SF
            >>
            >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >
            >
            >
            > --
            > ---
            > Boxcar Press
            > 501 W. Fayette St. #222
            > Syracuse, NY 13204
            > www.boxcarpress.com
            >



            --
            ---
            Boxcar Press
            501 W. Fayette St. #222
            Syracuse, NY 13204
            www.boxcarpress.com


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          • Edgar Weber
            Where are you? ________________________________ From: engrossersscript@aol.com To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed,
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              Where are you?




              ________________________________
              From: "engrossersscript@..." <engrossersscript@...>
              To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 8:02:43 AM
              Subject: [PPLetterpress] Help with Paper Stock and Letterpressing! =(

               


              I am helping a dear friend of mine do her invitation. We want to do letterpress (though I dnt have one I am able to use the ones at the Printing Museum and also a good friend of mine has two that are run with motors. I have never done anything like this before and I should of thought about this before offering. I know I need a plate, she also wants something embossed on them and we will also do the envelopes... . can ANY ONE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me with this project or give me any ideas? I have asked a few of the member of the Museum and noone has returned my emails or calls.... =( I have lots of time the wedding is not till next year but I want to start working on this asap so I dnt rush it! Any ideas or comments please feel free and thank you all talented printers =)

              Leenah
              www.thevintagehand. com

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            • Scott Rubel
              What kinds of forces does it take to make a steel plate on a Bunting base move? Even with all the relational physics answers posted earlier, once the plate
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                What kinds of forces does it take to make a steel plate on a Bunting
                base move? Even with all the relational physics answers posted earlier,
                once the plate gets over a few inches I can't imagine how it could move.

                --Scott

                Harold Kyle wrote:
                > OK I was confused by this thread, and talked with Matthew off-list.
                > Apparently he has a Bunting base, which is 0.858, as we do mention on our
                > website. That much is correct. I thought mistakenly he was referring to our
                > Deep Relief base. He is also apparently ordering 152SB steel backed plates
                > but I can't see how they would be thicker than 0.060. He's going to test
                > them with another measuring tool and report back.
                >
                > Sorry for the confusion!
                > Harold
                >
                > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Harold Kyle <harold@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                >> Matthew:
                >>
                >> Our records show that you purchased KF152, which measures 0.060 but ships
                >> with 0.004 film adhesive. This means the plate should measure 0.064 thick.
                >> Is your plate transparent or does it have a rigid metal back? Transparent
                >> means KF152.
                >>
                >> I couldn't find a base purchase under your name in our system, which I
                >> would need to get the exact measurements of your base. I would be astonished
                >> if we shipped a 0.8585" base, which is way out of spec. The actual thickness
                >> should be 0.0853 +/- 0.001. Can you share with me the serial number stamped
                >> on the side?
                >>
                >> I don't see reference to 0.858" as the base thickness on boxcarpress.com,
                >> but I do see this height mentioned incorrectly on some other websites. I'll
                >> write to them to clarify in order to avoid any future confusion. The correct
                >> height is 0.853".
                >>
                >> Thanks
                >> Harold
                >>
                >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@...>wrote:
                >>
                >>
                >>> Next time I'm there I'm going to bring my table top micrometer. It's an
                >>> extremely precise dial caliper mounted on a stand. The thing that's
                >>> bothering me is we
                >>> ordered the base ground to Boxcar's specs listed on their site, .858".
                >>> The hand held dial caliper reads .8585". We measured the base and plate
                >>> together while the base was locked in the chase, which was a bit tricky, but
                >>> checked it a couple of times and got .922". Without actually measuring the
                >>> plate alone that would mean the plate was .0635" - .064". Why would the
                >>> plates be .004" higher than what's listed on the site for 152SB?
                >>>
                >>> ________________________________
                >>>
                >>> A thinner plate ia indicated; If you are using a 152 go to a 145.
                >>> --Eric Holub, SF
                >>>
                >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>>
                >>
                >> --
                >> ---
                >> Boxcar Press
                >> 501 W. Fayette St. #222
                >> Syracuse, NY 13204
                >> www.boxcarpress.com
                >>
                >>
              • matthew lamoureux
                Harold, I just found out the two jobs I ve been talking about might already be at boxcar for plating. They would be coming from The R. Frank Printing Company,
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                  Harold,
                  I just found out the two jobs I've been talking about might already be at boxcar for plating. They would be coming from The R. Frank Printing Company, his email is richard.frank@... and they are being made/paid for by Wild BIll in Middletown Connecticut. I don't know what they both are but one I'm sure is a pink and black poster for wood stock. It has a guitar with a bird sitting on it.

                  If these aren't already made please hold off until I can get this figured out. If they are made don't sweat it I'll look into pinning the plates.

                  Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                  Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae


                  Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                  Thomas Jefferson


                  When Benjamin Franklin exited the Constitutional Convention, he was asked by a woman, "Sir, what have you given us?" He replied, "A Republic, Ma'am, if you can keep it".



                  ----- Original Message ----
                  From: Harold Kyle <harold@...>
                  To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 12:58:02 PM
                  Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Plate walking

                  OK I was confused by this thread, and talked with Matthew off-list.
                  Apparently he has a Bunting base, which is 0.858, as we do mention on our
                  website. That much is correct. I thought mistakenly he was referring to our
                  Deep Relief base. He is also apparently ordering 152SB steel backed plates
                  but I can't see how they would be thicker than 0.060. He's going to test
                  them with another measuring tool and report back.

                  Sorry for the confusion!
                  Harold

                  On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Harold Kyle <harold@...> wrote:

                  > Matthew:
                  >
                  > Our records show that you purchased KF152, which measures 0.060 but ships
                  > with 0.004 film adhesive. This means the plate should measure 0.064 thick.
                  > Is your plate transparent or does it have a rigid metal back? Transparent
                  > means KF152.
                  >
                  > I couldn't find a base purchase under your name in our system, which I
                  > would need to get the exact measurements of your base. I would be astonished
                  > if we shipped a 0.8585" base, which is way out of spec. The actual thickness
                  > should be 0.0853 +/- 0.001. Can you share with me the serial number stamped
                  > on the side?
                  >
                  > I don't see reference to 0.858" as the base thickness on boxcarpress.com,
                  > but I do see this height mentioned incorrectly on some other websites. I'll
                  > write to them to clarify in order to avoid any future confusion. The correct
                  > height is 0.853".
                  >
                  > Thanks
                  > Harold
                  >
                  > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@...>wrote:
                  >
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Next time I'm there I'm going to bring my table top micrometer. It's an
                  >> extremely precise dial caliper mounted on a stand. The thing that's
                  >> bothering me is we
                  >> ordered the base ground to Boxcar's specs listed on their site, .858".
                  >> The hand held dial caliper reads .8585". We measured the base and plate
                  >> together while the base was locked in the chase, which was a bit tricky, but
                  >> checked it a couple of times and got .922". Without actually measuring the
                  >> plate alone that would mean the plate was .0635" - .064". Why would the
                  >> plates be .004" higher than what's listed on the site for 152SB?
                  >>
                  >> ________________________________
                  >>
                  >> A thinner plate ia indicated; If you are using a 152 go to a 145.
                  >> --Eric Holub, SF
                  >>
                  >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --
                  > ---
                  > Boxcar Press
                  > 501 W. Fayette St. #222
                  > Syracuse, NY 13204
                  > www.boxcarpress.com
                  >



                  --
                  ---
                  Boxcar Press
                  501 W. Fayette St. #222
                  Syracuse, NY 13204
                  www.boxcarpress.com


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                • engrossersscript@aol.com
                  I am in Houston, Tx =( ... From: Edgar Weber To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress]
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                    I am in Houston, Tx =(






                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Edgar Weber <elweber@...>
                    To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:32 pm
                    Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Help with Paper Stock and Letterpressing! =(




                    Where are you?

                    ________________________________
                    From: "engrossersscript@..." <engrossersscript@...>
                    To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 8:02:43 AM
                    Subject: [PPLetterpress] Help with Paper Stock and Letterpressing! =(



                    I am helping a dear friend of mine do her invitation. We want to do letterpress (though I dnt have one I am able to use the ones at the Printing Museum and also a good friend of mine has two that are run with motors. I have never done anything like this before and I should of thought about this before offering. I know I need a plate, she also wants something embossed on them and we will also do the envelopes... . can ANY ONE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me with this project or give me any ideas? I have asked a few of the member of the Museum and noone has returned my emails or calls.... =( I have lots of time the wedding is not till next year but I want to start working on this asap so I dnt rush it! Any ideas or comments please feel free and thank you all talented printers =)

                    Leenah
                    www.thevintagehand. com

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                  • Peter Fraterdeus
                    Hi Leenah Don t know what the Museum offers, but it sounds to me like you should consider taking a couple of classes to figure out what you ve gotten yourself
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                      Hi Leenah

                      Don't know what the Museum offers, but it sounds to me like you should
                      consider taking a couple of classes to figure out what you've gotten
                      yourself into. Your enthusiasm is commendable, but unfortunately, it
                      takes a good bit more than that to be a printer. :-)

                      Embossing requires two 'plates' -- dies, really, which have to be
                      perfectly matched and registered.
                      It's possible (see John Henry's demos here and there) to make the
                      'positive' die with a fast setting epoxy, but again, requires a good
                      bit of trial and error, no doubt.

                      To ask members of the Museum to volunteer to "help", which means
                      essentially taking you on as an apprentice, might just possibly be a
                      bit too much to ask... which may perhaps be why you're not getting a
                      lot of response...

                      There's an enormous amount of very good information available online,
                      including the archives of this list, briarpress.org, etc etc etc. Many
                      of us began without any instruction at all, except that provided by
                      the laws of physics, common sense, and the odd golden nugget provided
                      by those who rarely repeat themselves...

                      The first 'rule' of asking for help is to do your homework, and ask
                      specific, well-considered questions!
                      (That's true of anything, whether letterpress, web design, rocket
                      science, or quantum theory!)

                      So, perhaps either take some classes, or get ready to pay somebody to
                      do the printing, and ask nicely if you can watch while they do it!

                      Good luck!

                      :-)

                      PF

                      PS, finally, "Letterpress" is a noun, there's a verb for what it does,
                      which is "Printing" ;-)



                      On 9 Dec 2009, at 3:39 PM, engrossersscript@... wrote:
                      >
                      > From: "engrossersscript@..." <engrossersscript@...>
                      > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 8:02:43 AM
                      > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Help with Paper Stock and Letterpressing! =(
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > I am helping a dear friend of mine do her invitation. We want to do
                      > letterpress (though I dnt have one I am able to use the ones at the
                      > Printing Museum and also a good friend of mine has two that are run
                      > with motors. I have never done anything like this before and I
                      > should of thought about this before offering. I know I need a plate,
                      > she also wants something embossed on them and we will also do the
                      > envelopes... . can ANY ONE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me with this
                      > project or give me any ideas? I have asked a few of the member of
                      > the Museum and noone has returned my emails or calls.... =( I have
                      > lots of time the wedding is not till next year but I want to start
                      > working on this asap so I dnt rush it! Any ideas or comments please
                      > feel free and thank you all talented printers =)
                      >
                      > Leenah
                      > www.thevintagehand. com

                      Peter Fraterdeus
                      Exquisite Letterpress from Slow Print Studios
                      http://slowprint.com/
                    • Harold Kyle
                      I should mention the plates can move out of register on Vandercooks as well. Cylinder presses can move steel backed plates out of register during deep
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                        I should mention the plates can move out of register on Vandercooks as well.
                        Cylinder presses can move steel backed plates out of register during deep
                        impression printing. The problem is that magnetic bases hold the plates down
                        but don't resist shearing well. This was the genesis for our Boxcar Base and
                        plastic backed plates in the first place ten years ago. Since many printers
                        resort to adhesives to hold their plates in place (even on Bunting Bases),
                        we figured we could just do away with the magnet and use an adhesive that
                        works--one that resists shearing. We run our plastic backed plates on a
                        Heidelberg Cylinder (long multi-color runs) and on Vandercooks and have
                        never had this problem.

                        I hope this helps,
                        Harold


                        On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Scott Rubel <scott@...> wrote:

                        >
                        >
                        > What kinds of forces does it take to make a steel plate on a Bunting
                        > base move? Even with all the relational physics answers posted earlier,
                        > once the plate gets over a few inches I can't imagine how it could move.
                        >
                        > --Scott
                        >
                        >
                        > Harold Kyle wrote:
                        > > OK I was confused by this thread, and talked with Matthew off-list.
                        > > Apparently he has a Bunting base, which is 0.858, as we do mention on our
                        > > website. That much is correct. I thought mistakenly he was referring to
                        > our
                        > > Deep Relief base. He is also apparently ordering 152SB steel backed
                        > plates
                        > > but I can't see how they would be thicker than 0.060. He's going to test
                        > > them with another measuring tool and report back.
                        > >
                        > > Sorry for the confusion!
                        > > Harold
                        > >
                        > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Harold Kyle <harold@...<harold%40boxcarpress.com>>
                        > wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >> Matthew:
                        > >>
                        > >> Our records show that you purchased KF152, which measures 0.060 but
                        > ships
                        > >> with 0.004 film adhesive. This means the plate should measure 0.064
                        > thick.
                        > >> Is your plate transparent or does it have a rigid metal back?
                        > Transparent
                        > >> means KF152.
                        > >>
                        > >> I couldn't find a base purchase under your name in our system, which I
                        > >> would need to get the exact measurements of your base. I would be
                        > astonished
                        > >> if we shipped a 0.8585" base, which is way out of spec. The actual
                        > thickness
                        > >> should be 0.0853 +/- 0.001. Can you share with me the serial number
                        > stamped
                        > >> on the side?
                        > >>
                        > >> I don't see reference to 0.858" as the base thickness on
                        > boxcarpress.com,
                        > >> but I do see this height mentioned incorrectly on some other websites.
                        > I'll
                        > >> write to them to clarify in order to avoid any future confusion. The
                        > correct
                        > >> height is 0.853".
                        > >>
                        > >> Thanks
                        > >> Harold
                        > >>
                        > >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:40 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@...<lamsland%40yahoo.com>
                        > >wrote:
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >>> Next time I'm there I'm going to bring my table top micrometer. It's an
                        > >>> extremely precise dial caliper mounted on a stand. The thing that's
                        > >>> bothering me is we
                        > >>> ordered the base ground to Boxcar's specs listed on their site, .858".
                        > >>> The hand held dial caliper reads .8585". We measured the base and plate
                        > >>> together while the base was locked in the chase, which was a bit
                        > tricky, but
                        > >>> checked it a couple of times and got .922". Without actually measuring
                        > the
                        > >>> plate alone that would mean the plate was .0635" - .064". Why would the
                        > >>> plates be .004" higher than what's listed on the site for 152SB?
                        > >>>
                        > >>> ________________________________
                        > >>>
                        > >>> A thinner plate ia indicated; If you are using a 152 go to a 145.
                        > >>> --Eric Holub, SF
                        > >>>
                        > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>>
                        > >>
                        > >> --
                        >
                        > >> ---
                        > >> Boxcar Press
                        > >> 501 W. Fayette St. #222
                        > >> Syracuse, NY 13204
                        > >> www.boxcarpress.com
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        >
                        >



                        --
                        ---
                        Boxcar Press
                        501 W. Fayette St. #222
                        Syracuse, NY 13204
                        www.boxcarpress.com


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                      • Ph.D.
                        A couple of years ago, one of my students wanted to try embossing. We had a 1/4-inch copper die made at Owosso, then we used auto body filler (Bondo) to make a
                        Message 11 of 28 , Dec 10, 2009
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                          A couple of years ago, one of my students wanted to try
                          embossing. We had a 1/4-inch copper die made at Owosso,
                          then we used auto body filler (Bondo) to make a counter
                          die. Everything worked the first time, and the embosssing
                          looked great.

                          --Ph. D.


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Peter Fraterdeus
                          To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:39 PM
                          Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Help with Paper Stock and Letterpressing! =(


                          Embossing requires two 'plates' -- dies, really, which have to be
                          perfectly matched and registered.
                          It's possible (see John Henry's demos here and there) to make the
                          'positive' die with a fast setting epoxy, but again, requires a good
                          bit of trial and error, no doubt.




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                        • engrossersscript@aol.com
                          Thanks Peter for the kind email. English is my second language so thanks for the lesson as well. Some people have been to help me through this group. Yes u are
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                            Thanks Peter for the kind email. English is my second language so thanks for the lesson as well. Some people have been to help me through this group. Yes u are right perhaps it was too much for the members to ask for help.

                            Leenah
                            Houston, Tx



                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: Peter Fraterdeus <peterf@...>
                            To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 5:39 pm
                            Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Help with Paper Stock and Letterpressing! =(




                            Hi Leenah

                            Don't know what the Museum offers, but it sounds to me like you should
                            consider taking a couple of classes to figure out what you've gotten
                            yourself into. Your enthusiasm is commendable, but unfortunately, it
                            takes a good bit more than that to be a printer. :-)

                            Embossing requires two 'plates' -- dies, really, which have to be
                            perfectly matched and registered.
                            It's possible (see John Henry's demos here and there) to make the
                            'positive' die with a fast setting epoxy, but again, requires a good
                            bit of trial and error, no doubt.

                            To ask members of the Museum to volunteer to "help", which means
                            essentially taking you on as an apprentice, might just possibly be a
                            bit too much to ask... which may perhaps be why you're not getting a
                            lot of response...

                            There's an enormous amount of very good information available online,
                            including the archives of this list, briarpress.org, etc etc etc. Many
                            of us began without any instruction at all, except that provided by
                            the laws of physics, common sense, and the odd golden nugget provided
                            by those who rarely repeat themselves...

                            The first 'rule' of asking for help is to do your homework, and ask
                            specific, well-considered questions!
                            (That's true of anything, whether letterpress, web design, rocket
                            science, or quantum theory!)

                            So, perhaps either take some classes, or get ready to pay somebody to
                            do the printing, and ask nicely if you can watch while they do it!

                            Good luck!

                            :-)

                            PF

                            PS, finally, "Letterpress" is a noun, there's a verb for what it does,
                            which is "Printing" ;-)

                            On 9 Dec 2009, at 3:39 PM, engrossersscript@... wrote:
                            >
                            > From: "engrossersscript@..." <engrossersscript@...>
                            > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 8:02:43 AM
                            > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Help with Paper Stock and Letterpressing! =(
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > I am helping a dear friend of mine do her invitation. We want to do
                            > letterpress (though I dnt have one I am able to use the ones at the
                            > Printing Museum and also a good friend of mine has two that are run
                            > with motors. I have never done anything like this before and I
                            > should of thought about this before offering. I know I need a plate,
                            > she also wants something embossed on them and we will also do the
                            > envelopes... . can ANY ONE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help me with this
                            > project or give me any ideas? I have asked a few of the member of
                            > the Museum and noone has returned my emails or calls.... =( I have
                            > lots of time the wedding is not till next year but I want to start
                            > working on this asap so I dnt rush it! Any ideas or comments please
                            > feel free and thank you all talented printers =)
                            >
                            > Leenah
                            > www.thevintagehand. com

                            Peter Fraterdeus
                            Exquisite Letterpress from Slow Print Studios
                            http://slowprint.com/







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                          • matthew lamoureux
                            Here s photos of the caliper measurements and repacking results. It s just the first few photos.
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                              Here's photos of the caliper measurements and repacking results. It's just the first few photos.

                              http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/bb91/Lammys_album/Letterpress/

                              The basic conclusion I've come to is based on the amount of packing I need to get a good solid print the plates and the bases are just fine. I'm thinking I can't put enough pressure on the plate and base together to get a good reading, otherwise I have no idea why it reads so high. With enough pressure I got the bases and plates to read .858 and .060 respectively. The final reading for the packing and stock was .048, just .001 over what it should be. Even at the correct height of everything I still have the issue with the plate sliding on the base. Taping all four sides of the plate to the chase/ base/ furniture stopped this.

                              Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                              Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae


                              Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                              Thomas Jefferson


                              When Benjamin Franklin exited the Constitutional Convention, he was asked by a woman, "Sir, what have you given us?" He replied, "A Republic, Ma'am, if you can keep it".
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