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  • Harold Kyle
    This was not done for chemistry reasons. You touched on the problem that we faced with supplied films: many times they weren t even silver emulsion film. For
    Message 1 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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      This was not done for chemistry reasons. You touched on the problem that we
      faced with supplied films: many times they weren't even silver emulsion
      film. For many of our customers, a 'film' means an ink jet or laser
      transparency, which for our processing is unacceptable and potentially very
      costly. Even when the films were on silver, we found the variation in
      quality (through shipping damage or inadequate density) disruptive to our
      workflow. We have much tighter control over the quality and scheduling of
      our printing plates by only using our own films. That's not to say that
      there are many vendors such as yourself who can provide quality film,
      though. I'm sorry you take offense over our policy, but we do this to
      increase reliability of our customers' orders.

      Thanks,
      Harold
      Boxcar Press



      On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@...>wrote:

      >
      >
      > Seriously they no longer accept provided films?? I can kind of see that
      > with people trying to make "films" on laser printers and inkjets. It's kind
      > of an insult to guys like me though that have been providing high quality
      > films to the trades for years. Maybe they're more like us though, just
      > trying to keep the machines running. Rapid Access chemistry doesn't take
      > well to sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing.
      >
      > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
      > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
      >
      > Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
      > Thomas Jefferson
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: Gerald Lange <Bieler@... <Bieler%40att.net>>
      > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com <PPLetterpress%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:57:42 PM
      > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Introduction
      >
      > Howdy Bob
      >
      > Most film negative suppliers these days accept Press Quality PDFs such as
      > those exported from the various components of the Adobe Creative Suite.
      > Some, including most photoengravers, will generate from a stat. I wouldn't
      > recommend a b/w laser print out.
      >
      > Boxcar Press makes its own film negatives of your e-file and no longer
      > accepts third party film or whatever.
      >
      > Gerald
      > http://BielerPress. blogspot. com
      >
      > --- In PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com, Bob Hopfner <rhopfner@.. .> wrote:
      > >
      > > Howdy All,
      > >
      > > My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
      > > affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
      > > Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
      > > computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
      > > understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
      > > probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
      > > try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
      > > Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate
      > making.
      > >
      > > Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
      > > makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?
      > >
      > > cheers,
      > >
      > > Bob Hopfner
      > >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
      >



      --
      ---
      Boxcar Press
      501 W. Fayette St. #222
      Syracuse, NY 13204
      www.boxcarpress.com


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    • Scott Rubel
      Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be inspired and still be original. Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand
      Message 2 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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        Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be
        inspired and still be original.

        Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand copyright-free
        clip art you can use in new ways and maybe make some money.

        --Scott

        Jenny Detwiler wrote:
        > Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone else's work. The book titles are: 1000 Greetings-Creative Correspondence Designed for All Occasions by Peter King and Company, and the other is The Best of Letterhead and Logo Design don't see author.........both are also from Rockport Publishers, Inc.
        > Thanks again!
        > -Jenny Pierce
        >
        > --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Austin Jones <austin@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > From: Austin Jones <austin@...>
        > Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Design
        >
        > My first question to you is "What was your reason for purchasing the
        > books?". Your reason for purchasing the books will give some sense of
        > purpose. If you purchased them strictly for inspiration, then I would say
        > you are on the right track. If you purchased them with the idea of
        > reproducing them, well then I would suggest there might be a problem.
        >
        > We all look outside our own corner for inspiration. That is a healthy way to
        > keep the mind working. Seeing what someone else is doing and how they
        > managed to get a particular result, that is what it is all about. I would
        > think that this is probably the primary reason for the publication in the
        > first place. These producers have something to say and show. So, look, be
        > inspired, and go apply their ideas to your own designs.
        >
        > BTW: would you care to give us the titles and authors.
        >
        > tks
        >
        > Austin Jones
        > prints by AJ
        > austin@printsbyaj. com
        > http://printsbyaj. com
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "jenny_detwiler" <jenny_detwiler@ yahoo.com>
        >
        >> Looking for input on the "correct" way to use a few books that I recently
        >> purchased. Both are graphic design books that have color pictures of
        >> invitations, announcements, business cards, logos, and other things like
        >> that. Where is the line between plagiarism and using these books for
        >> design ideas? Is changing general layout, color, graphics, paper, ink,
        >> printing process, information, and font enough to make it your own if you
        >> got the idea from someone else's work? Thanks for any input!
        >>
        >> -Jenny
      • matthew lamoureux
        Completely understood. Trust me, like anything, I ve met my fair share of folks with great equipment putting out bad product. Matthew LAMMY Lamoureux Full
        Message 3 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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          Completely understood. Trust me, like anything, I've met my fair share of folks with great equipment putting out bad product.

          Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
          Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae


          Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
          Thomas Jefferson




          ________________________________
          From: Harold Kyle <harold@...>
          To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:43:26 AM
          Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Introduction





          This was not done for chemistry reasons. You touched on the problem that we
          faced with supplied films: many times they weren't even silver emulsion
          film. For many of our customers, a 'film' means an ink jet or laser
          transparency, which for our processing is unacceptable and potentially very
          costly. Even when the films were on silver, we found the variation in
          quality (through shipping damage or inadequate density) disruptive to our
          workflow. We have much tighter control over the quality and scheduling of
          our printing plates by only using our own films. That's not to say that
          there are many vendors such as yourself who can provide quality film,
          though. I'm sorry you take offense over our policy, but we do this to
          increase reliability of our customers' orders.

          Thanks,
          Harold
          Boxcar Press

          On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@yahoo. com>wrote:

          >
          >
          > Seriously they no longer accept provided films?? I can kind of see that
          > with people trying to make "films" on laser printers and inkjets. It's kind
          > of an insult to guys like me though that have been providing high quality
          > films to the trades for years. Maybe they're more like us though, just
          > trying to keep the machines running. Rapid Access chemistry doesn't take
          > well to sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing.
          >
          > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
          > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
          >
          > Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
          > Thomas Jefferson
          >
          > ____________ _________ _________ __
          > From: Gerald Lange <Bieler@... <Bieler%40att. net>>
          > To: PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com <PPLetterpress% 40yahoogroups. com>
          > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:57:42 PM
          > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Introduction
          >
          > Howdy Bob
          >
          > Most film negative suppliers these days accept Press Quality PDFs such as
          > those exported from the various components of the Adobe Creative Suite.
          > Some, including most photoengravers, will generate from a stat. I wouldn't
          > recommend a b/w laser print out.
          >
          > Boxcar Press makes its own film negatives of your e-file and no longer
          > accepts third party film or whatever.
          >
          > Gerald
          > http://BielerPress. blogspot. com
          >
          > --- In PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com, Bob Hopfner <rhopfner@.. .> wrote:
          > >
          > > Howdy All,
          > >
          > > My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
          > > affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
          > > Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
          > > computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
          > > understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
          > > probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
          > > try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
          > > Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate
          > making.
          > >
          > > Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
          > > makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?
          > >
          > > cheers,
          > >
          > > Bob Hopfner
          > >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
          >

          --
          ---
          Boxcar Press
          501 W. Fayette St. #222
          Syracuse, NY 13204
          www.boxcarpress. com

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        • Peter Fraterdeus
          Indeed, as Fred Goudy liked to say... The old guys [gals] stole all the best ideas The cultural context is our common wealth. All intelligent thought and
          Message 4 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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            Indeed, as Fred Goudy liked to say...
            "The old guys [gals] stole all the best ideas"

            The cultural context is our common wealth. All intelligent thought and
            creative effort comes from a shared experience of language --
            symbolic, semantic, and visual.

            There's way too much precocious cleverness and egotistical chest
            beating in the world already.

            On the other hand, don't try to copy my typefaces without asking ;-)

            Peter

            alphabets.com
            slowprint.com

            On 15 Jun 2009, at 10:15 AM, Scott Rubel wrote:

            > Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be
            > inspired and still be original.
            >
            > Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand copyright-free
            > clip art you can use in new ways and maybe make some money.
            >
            > --Scott
            >
            > Jenny Detwiler wrote:
            >> Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right
            >> track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone
            >> else's work. The book titles are: 1000 Greetings-Creative
            >> Correspondence Designed for All Occasions by Peter King and
            >> Company, and the other is The Best of Letterhead and Logo Design
            >> don't see author.........both are also from Rockport Publishers, Inc.
            >> Thanks again!
            >> -Jenny Pierce
          • Jenny Detwiler
            Ha!!  Love the Fred Goudy quote!!  I seem to think some variation of that quote every time I see something new and original.    Thanks for the laugh!
            Message 5 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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              Ha!!  Love the Fred Goudy quote!!  I seem to think some variation of that quote every time I see something new and original. 
               
              Thanks for the laugh!
              -Jenny

              --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Peter Fraterdeus <peterf@...> wrote:


              From: Peter Fraterdeus <peterf@...>
              Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Design
              To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 10:12 AM








              Indeed, as Fred Goudy liked to say...
              "The old guys [gals] stole all the best ideas"

              The cultural context is our common wealth. All intelligent thought and
              creative effort comes from a shared experience of language --
              symbolic, semantic, and visual.

              There's way too much precocious cleverness and egotistical chest
              beating in the world already.

              On the other hand, don't try to copy my typefaces without asking ;-)

              Peter

              alphabets.com
              slowprint.com

              On 15 Jun 2009, at 10:15 AM, Scott Rubel wrote:

              > Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be
              > inspired and still be original.
              >
              > Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand copyright-free
              > clip art you can use in new ways and maybe make some money.
              >
              > --Scott
              >
              > Jenny Detwiler wrote:
              >> Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right
              >> track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone
              >> else's work. The book titles are: 1000 Greetings-Creative
              >> Correspondence Designed for All Occasions by Peter King and
              >> Company, and the other is The Best of Letterhead and Logo Design
              >> don't see author...... ...both are also from Rockport Publishers, Inc.
              >> Thanks again!
              >> -Jenny Pierce



















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