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  • Jenny Detwiler
    Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone else s work.  The book
    Message 1 of 15 , Jun 13, 2009
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      Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone else's work.  The book titles are:  1000 Greetings-Creative Correspondence Designed for All Occasions by Peter King and Company, and the other is The Best of Letterhead and Logo Design don't see author.........both are also from Rockport Publishers, Inc. 
      Thanks again!
      -Jenny Pierce

      --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Austin Jones <austin@...> wrote:


      From: Austin Jones <austin@...>
      Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Design
      To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 1:16 PM








      My first question to you is "What was your reason for purchasing the
      books?". Your reason for purchasing the books will give some sense of
      purpose. If you purchased them strictly for inspiration, then I would say
      you are on the right track. If you purchased them with the idea of
      reproducing them, well then I would suggest there might be a problem.

      We all look outside our own corner for inspiration. That is a healthy way to
      keep the mind working. Seeing what someone else is doing and how they
      managed to get a particular result, that is what it is all about. I would
      think that this is probably the primary reason for the publication in the
      first place. These producers have something to say and show. So, look, be
      inspired, and go apply their ideas to your own designs.

      BTW: would you care to give us the titles and authors.

      tks

      Austin Jones
      prints by AJ
      austin@printsbyaj. com
      http://printsbyaj. com
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "jenny_detwiler" <jenny_detwiler@ yahoo.com>
      To: <PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com>
      Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:15 PM
      Subject: [PPLetterpress] Design

      > Looking for input on the "correct" way to use a few books that I recently
      > purchased. Both are graphic design books that have color pictures of
      > invitations, announcements, business cards, logos, and other things like
      > that. Where is the line between plagiarism and using these books for
      > design ideas? Is changing general layout, color, graphics, paper, ink,
      > printing process, information, and font enough to make it your own if you
      > got the idea from someone else's work? Thanks for any input!
      >
      > -Jenny
      >
      >
      >
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      >
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      >



















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    • Bob Hopfner
      Howdy All, My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I ve always had an affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
      Message 2 of 15 , Jun 13, 2009
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        Howdy All,

        My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
        affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
        Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
        computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
        understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
        probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
        try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
        Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate making.

        Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
        makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?

        cheers,

        Bob Hopfner
      • Peter Fraterdeus
        Hi Bob Take a look here for a variety of FAQs on letterpress including photopolymer https://www.xmarks.com/site/www.fiveroses.org/intro.htm You ll need
        Message 3 of 15 , Jun 14, 2009
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          Hi Bob

          Take a look here for a variety of FAQs on letterpress including
          photopolymer
          https://www.xmarks.com/site/www.fiveroses.org/intro.htm

          You'll need high-density graphic art negatives (Right reading emulsion
          UP) for making PP plates.
          A stat camera could make these, but since you're starting with digital
          art, it makes more sense to have the art rendered on a film-based
          imagesetter (Linotronic, etc)

          Cheers

          PF


          On 14 Jun 2009, at 1:43 AM, Bob Hopfner wrote:

          > Howdy All,
          >
          > My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
          > affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
          > Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
          > computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
          > understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
          > probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
          > try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
          > Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate
          > making.
          >
          > Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
          > makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?
          >
          > cheers,
          >
          > Bob Hopfner

          Peter Fraterdeus
          Exquisite Letterpress
          http://slowprint.com/
        • Gerald Lange
          Howdy Bob Most film negative suppliers these days accept Press Quality PDFs such as those exported from the various components of the Adobe Creative Suite.
          Message 4 of 15 , Jun 14, 2009
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            Howdy Bob

            Most film negative suppliers these days accept Press Quality PDFs such as those exported from the various components of the Adobe Creative Suite. Some, including most photoengravers, will generate from a stat. I wouldn't recommend a b/w laser print out.

            Boxcar Press makes its own film negatives of your e-file and no longer accepts third party film or whatever.

            Gerald
            http://BielerPress.blogspot.com


            --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Bob Hopfner <rhopfner@...> wrote:
            >
            > Howdy All,
            >
            > My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
            > affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
            > Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
            > computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
            > understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
            > probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
            > try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
            > Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate making.
            >
            > Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
            > makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?
            >
            > cheers,
            >
            > Bob Hopfner
            >
          • matthew lamoureux
            Seriously they no longer accept provided films?? I can kind of see that with people trying to make films on laser printers and inkjets. It s kind of an
            Message 5 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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              Seriously they no longer accept provided films?? I can kind of see that with people trying to make "films" on laser printers and inkjets. It's kind of an insult to guys like me though that have been providing high quality films to the trades for years. Maybe they're more like us though, just trying to keep the machines running. Rapid Access chemistry doesn't take well to sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing.

              Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
              Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae


              Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
              Thomas Jefferson




              ________________________________
              From: Gerald Lange <Bieler@...>
              To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:57:42 PM
              Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Introduction





              Howdy Bob

              Most film negative suppliers these days accept Press Quality PDFs such as those exported from the various components of the Adobe Creative Suite. Some, including most photoengravers, will generate from a stat. I wouldn't recommend a b/w laser print out.

              Boxcar Press makes its own film negatives of your e-file and no longer accepts third party film or whatever.

              Gerald
              http://BielerPress. blogspot. com

              --- In PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com, Bob Hopfner <rhopfner@.. .> wrote:
              >
              > Howdy All,
              >
              > My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
              > affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
              > Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
              > computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
              > understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
              > probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
              > try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
              > Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate making.
              >
              > Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
              > makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?
              >
              > cheers,
              >
              > Bob Hopfner
              >







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            • Harold Kyle
              This was not done for chemistry reasons. You touched on the problem that we faced with supplied films: many times they weren t even silver emulsion film. For
              Message 6 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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                This was not done for chemistry reasons. You touched on the problem that we
                faced with supplied films: many times they weren't even silver emulsion
                film. For many of our customers, a 'film' means an ink jet or laser
                transparency, which for our processing is unacceptable and potentially very
                costly. Even when the films were on silver, we found the variation in
                quality (through shipping damage or inadequate density) disruptive to our
                workflow. We have much tighter control over the quality and scheduling of
                our printing plates by only using our own films. That's not to say that
                there are many vendors such as yourself who can provide quality film,
                though. I'm sorry you take offense over our policy, but we do this to
                increase reliability of our customers' orders.

                Thanks,
                Harold
                Boxcar Press



                On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@...>wrote:

                >
                >
                > Seriously they no longer accept provided films?? I can kind of see that
                > with people trying to make "films" on laser printers and inkjets. It's kind
                > of an insult to guys like me though that have been providing high quality
                > films to the trades for years. Maybe they're more like us though, just
                > trying to keep the machines running. Rapid Access chemistry doesn't take
                > well to sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing.
                >
                > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
                >
                > Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                > Thomas Jefferson
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: Gerald Lange <Bieler@... <Bieler%40att.net>>
                > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com <PPLetterpress%40yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:57:42 PM
                > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Introduction
                >
                > Howdy Bob
                >
                > Most film negative suppliers these days accept Press Quality PDFs such as
                > those exported from the various components of the Adobe Creative Suite.
                > Some, including most photoengravers, will generate from a stat. I wouldn't
                > recommend a b/w laser print out.
                >
                > Boxcar Press makes its own film negatives of your e-file and no longer
                > accepts third party film or whatever.
                >
                > Gerald
                > http://BielerPress. blogspot. com
                >
                > --- In PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com, Bob Hopfner <rhopfner@.. .> wrote:
                > >
                > > Howdy All,
                > >
                > > My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
                > > affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
                > > Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
                > > computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
                > > understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
                > > probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
                > > try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
                > > Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate
                > making.
                > >
                > > Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
                > > makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?
                > >
                > > cheers,
                > >
                > > Bob Hopfner
                > >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
                >



                --
                ---
                Boxcar Press
                501 W. Fayette St. #222
                Syracuse, NY 13204
                www.boxcarpress.com


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              • Scott Rubel
                Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be inspired and still be original. Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand
                Message 7 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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                  Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be
                  inspired and still be original.

                  Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand copyright-free
                  clip art you can use in new ways and maybe make some money.

                  --Scott

                  Jenny Detwiler wrote:
                  > Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone else's work. The book titles are: 1000 Greetings-Creative Correspondence Designed for All Occasions by Peter King and Company, and the other is The Best of Letterhead and Logo Design don't see author.........both are also from Rockport Publishers, Inc.
                  > Thanks again!
                  > -Jenny Pierce
                  >
                  > --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Austin Jones <austin@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > From: Austin Jones <austin@...>
                  > Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Design
                  >
                  > My first question to you is "What was your reason for purchasing the
                  > books?". Your reason for purchasing the books will give some sense of
                  > purpose. If you purchased them strictly for inspiration, then I would say
                  > you are on the right track. If you purchased them with the idea of
                  > reproducing them, well then I would suggest there might be a problem.
                  >
                  > We all look outside our own corner for inspiration. That is a healthy way to
                  > keep the mind working. Seeing what someone else is doing and how they
                  > managed to get a particular result, that is what it is all about. I would
                  > think that this is probably the primary reason for the publication in the
                  > first place. These producers have something to say and show. So, look, be
                  > inspired, and go apply their ideas to your own designs.
                  >
                  > BTW: would you care to give us the titles and authors.
                  >
                  > tks
                  >
                  > Austin Jones
                  > prints by AJ
                  > austin@printsbyaj. com
                  > http://printsbyaj. com
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "jenny_detwiler" <jenny_detwiler@ yahoo.com>
                  >
                  >> Looking for input on the "correct" way to use a few books that I recently
                  >> purchased. Both are graphic design books that have color pictures of
                  >> invitations, announcements, business cards, logos, and other things like
                  >> that. Where is the line between plagiarism and using these books for
                  >> design ideas? Is changing general layout, color, graphics, paper, ink,
                  >> printing process, information, and font enough to make it your own if you
                  >> got the idea from someone else's work? Thanks for any input!
                  >>
                  >> -Jenny
                • matthew lamoureux
                  Completely understood. Trust me, like anything, I ve met my fair share of folks with great equipment putting out bad product. Matthew LAMMY Lamoureux Full
                  Message 8 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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                    Completely understood. Trust me, like anything, I've met my fair share of folks with great equipment putting out bad product.

                    Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                    Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae


                    Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                    Thomas Jefferson




                    ________________________________
                    From: Harold Kyle <harold@...>
                    To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:43:26 AM
                    Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Introduction





                    This was not done for chemistry reasons. You touched on the problem that we
                    faced with supplied films: many times they weren't even silver emulsion
                    film. For many of our customers, a 'film' means an ink jet or laser
                    transparency, which for our processing is unacceptable and potentially very
                    costly. Even when the films were on silver, we found the variation in
                    quality (through shipping damage or inadequate density) disruptive to our
                    workflow. We have much tighter control over the quality and scheduling of
                    our printing plates by only using our own films. That's not to say that
                    there are many vendors such as yourself who can provide quality film,
                    though. I'm sorry you take offense over our policy, but we do this to
                    increase reliability of our customers' orders.

                    Thanks,
                    Harold
                    Boxcar Press

                    On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:19 AM, matthew lamoureux <lamsland@yahoo. com>wrote:

                    >
                    >
                    > Seriously they no longer accept provided films?? I can kind of see that
                    > with people trying to make "films" on laser printers and inkjets. It's kind
                    > of an insult to guys like me though that have been providing high quality
                    > films to the trades for years. Maybe they're more like us though, just
                    > trying to keep the machines running. Rapid Access chemistry doesn't take
                    > well to sitting around doing a whole lot of nothing.
                    >
                    > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                    > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
                    >
                    > Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                    > Thomas Jefferson
                    >
                    > ____________ _________ _________ __
                    > From: Gerald Lange <Bieler@... <Bieler%40att. net>>
                    > To: PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com <PPLetterpress% 40yahoogroups. com>
                    > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 11:57:42 PM
                    > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Introduction
                    >
                    > Howdy Bob
                    >
                    > Most film negative suppliers these days accept Press Quality PDFs such as
                    > those exported from the various components of the Adobe Creative Suite.
                    > Some, including most photoengravers, will generate from a stat. I wouldn't
                    > recommend a b/w laser print out.
                    >
                    > Boxcar Press makes its own film negatives of your e-file and no longer
                    > accepts third party film or whatever.
                    >
                    > Gerald
                    > http://BielerPress. blogspot. com
                    >
                    > --- In PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com, Bob Hopfner <rhopfner@.. .> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Howdy All,
                    > >
                    > > My name is Bob Hopfner and I am a graphic designer. I've always had an
                    > > affinity for letterpress and have an interest in learning more about
                    > > Letterpress, especially photo polymer as it would allow me to take my
                    > > computer generated art to a very different medium. While I think I
                    > > understand the basics, to say I have a clue what I am doing would
                    > > probably require access to a press and some time in front of it. I'll
                    > > try to chime in when I can especially like answering questions about
                    > > Adobe Creative Suite and other technical issues leading up to plate
                    > making.
                    > >
                    > > Speaking of that anyone know what kind of "input" one of the plate
                    > > makers at Boxcar press takes? a stat? b/w print off a laser printer?
                    > >
                    > > cheers,
                    > >
                    > > Bob Hopfner
                    > >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed
                    >

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                    ---
                    Boxcar Press
                    501 W. Fayette St. #222
                    Syracuse, NY 13204
                    www.boxcarpress. com

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                  • Peter Fraterdeus
                    Indeed, as Fred Goudy liked to say... The old guys [gals] stole all the best ideas The cultural context is our common wealth. All intelligent thought and
                    Message 9 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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                      Indeed, as Fred Goudy liked to say...
                      "The old guys [gals] stole all the best ideas"

                      The cultural context is our common wealth. All intelligent thought and
                      creative effort comes from a shared experience of language --
                      symbolic, semantic, and visual.

                      There's way too much precocious cleverness and egotistical chest
                      beating in the world already.

                      On the other hand, don't try to copy my typefaces without asking ;-)

                      Peter

                      alphabets.com
                      slowprint.com

                      On 15 Jun 2009, at 10:15 AM, Scott Rubel wrote:

                      > Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be
                      > inspired and still be original.
                      >
                      > Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand copyright-free
                      > clip art you can use in new ways and maybe make some money.
                      >
                      > --Scott
                      >
                      > Jenny Detwiler wrote:
                      >> Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right
                      >> track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone
                      >> else's work. The book titles are: 1000 Greetings-Creative
                      >> Correspondence Designed for All Occasions by Peter King and
                      >> Company, and the other is The Best of Letterhead and Logo Design
                      >> don't see author.........both are also from Rockport Publishers, Inc.
                      >> Thanks again!
                      >> -Jenny Pierce
                    • Jenny Detwiler
                      Ha!!  Love the Fred Goudy quote!!  I seem to think some variation of that quote every time I see something new and original.    Thanks for the laugh!
                      Message 10 of 15 , Jun 15, 2009
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                        Ha!!  Love the Fred Goudy quote!!  I seem to think some variation of that quote every time I see something new and original. 
                         
                        Thanks for the laugh!
                        -Jenny

                        --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Peter Fraterdeus <peterf@...> wrote:


                        From: Peter Fraterdeus <peterf@...>
                        Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Design
                        To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 10:12 AM








                        Indeed, as Fred Goudy liked to say...
                        "The old guys [gals] stole all the best ideas"

                        The cultural context is our common wealth. All intelligent thought and
                        creative effort comes from a shared experience of language --
                        symbolic, semantic, and visual.

                        There's way too much precocious cleverness and egotistical chest
                        beating in the world already.

                        On the other hand, don't try to copy my typefaces without asking ;-)

                        Peter

                        alphabets.com
                        slowprint.com

                        On 15 Jun 2009, at 10:15 AM, Scott Rubel wrote:

                        > Inspiration is practical. No artist works in a vacuum. You can be
                        > inspired and still be original.
                        >
                        > Of course there are millions of Dover and other brand copyright-free
                        > clip art you can use in new ways and maybe make some money.
                        >
                        > --Scott
                        >
                        > Jenny Detwiler wrote:
                        >> Thanks to everyone for all the feedback, I think I was on the right
                        >> track, but somehow I still feel guilty being inspired by someone
                        >> else's work. The book titles are: 1000 Greetings-Creative
                        >> Correspondence Designed for All Occasions by Peter King and
                        >> Company, and the other is The Best of Letterhead and Logo Design
                        >> don't see author...... ...both are also from Rockport Publishers, Inc.
                        >> Thanks again!
                        >> -Jenny Pierce



















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