RE: [PPLetterpress] Re: U.S. type foundries
- Well, I would for one.... But that is why I have Intertypes and Ludlows...
Never have to worry about running out of type or bashing it into
- Lance Williams
Williams Stationery Co.
Camden, New York
> [Original Message]
> From: Mel <the_melzer@...>
> To: <PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 3/1/2009 2:04:23 PM
> Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: U.S. type foundries
> Don't forget Skyline Type!
> Monotype may be softer than Foundry type, but how many printers today
> will ever print enough to wear out even Monotype cast type?
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- Or better, which is the real point: Last type foundry using hard metal.
36 Bow Street
Oldham OL1 1SJ England
On 1/3/09 15:04, "parallel_imp" <Megalonyx@...> wrote:
> If Alex had said instead, "last type foundry using foundry casters"
> that would be more accurate.
- --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Graham and Kathy
>Graham, it isn't just a matter of typemetal. The temperature and
> Or better, which is the real point: Last type foundry using hard metal.
pressure at which type is cast is just as important to the hardness of
type, and thats why Thompson and Monotype casters don't produce the
same quality as foundry casters. And it takes foundry mats to stand up
to that casting environment, not the brass and aluminum mats made for
Monotype equipment. One could ruin mats and machines by trying to make
type harder than is normal for the equipment. But wherever any of
these machines are used is still a type foundry.
--Eric Holub, SF
- No, quite so, it isn't just a matter of the hardness of the metal that
defines a foundry, but Dale Guild is still the last foundry in the US using
hard metal. Count your blessings; there's none here.
As a printer, I'd put hardness of the metal higher than any of the other
physical attributes in any hierarchy of importance, assuming the face of the
type wasn't full of bubbles that is!
36 Bow Street
Oldham OL1 1SJ England
On 3/3/09 14:26, "parallel_imp" <Megalonyx@...> wrote:
>> Or better, which is the real point: Last type foundry using hard metal.
> Graham, it isn't just a matter of typemetal. The temperature and
> pressure at which type is cast is just as important to the hardness of
> type, and thats why Thompson and Monotype casters don't produce the
> same quality as foundry casters. And it takes foundry mats to stand up
> to that casting environment, not the brass and aluminum mats made for
> Monotype equipment. One could ruin mats and machines by trying to make
> type harder than is normal for the equipment. But wherever any of
> these machines are used is still a type foundry.
> --Eric Holub, SF
- ...Last type foundry using hard metal.
...last type foundry using foundry casters
A type foundry is a place where metal is melted and cast in a mold. The
Monotype system can accurately be described as a complete type foundry.
Claims of type founders regarding the hardness and quality of their type are
notoriously suspect. Keystone claimed to be the inventors and sole makers of
Nickel-Alloy Type. Barnhart Bros & Spindler made Superior Copper Mixed Type.
The amount of those metals in type was probably negligible. Only a few
foundries ever actually revealed the proportions of the various metals used in
Type metal varies from soft to hard, to brittle, depending on the relative
quantities of lead, tin, and antimony. Considering just the inherent hardness
of the metal, Dale Guild metal is essentially the same as type made from
recycled ATF metal. So even the occasional casting done here at Denver Back Alley
Type uses "hard metal." The type offered by Skyline type, also, is cast with
hard metal, essentially identical to the metal used at Dale Guild.
The key differences, besides the metal formula, are the casting machines
involved and the knowledge and attention of the worker, and the protocols being
followed such as casting speed and temperature and adjustments to the
machinery. A Barth caster, and a Thompson caster for that matter, will make harder
type than my antique Monotype because they cast with greater pressure. But I
expect any type I cast will out-live me.
While Stephenson Blake described itself as The Last of the Old English Type
Founders, Mouldtype's monotype was The Best in Any Case. While MacKellar,
Smiths & Jordan accurately claimed status as the Oldest American Type Foundry,
anyone who casts type today might honorably be described as Successor to
Gutenberg and Garamond.
At Now It's Up To You, we cast type out of thin air.
Tom Parson/ Now It's Up To You/ Denver Back Alley Type Foundry
157 S Logan, Denver CO 80209
(720) 480-5358 cellphone
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