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  • vanhorn_k
    ... present. ... Yeah, I think our thermostat is broken. We got one of the first of these models available in the country... I ve dismantled it once or twice
    Message 1 of 19 , Jan 11, 2009
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      > Wow, that's pretty extreme. I've only worked with BASF and Polimero machines, and neither
      > had such a high temperature that you couldn't leave them on all day with minimal
      > evaporation, at least with the lid closed. The Polimero machine has a safety that shuts off
      > power if bath reaches a certain heat, as when someone turns it on without any water
      present.
      > --Eric Holub, SF
      >

      Yeah, I think our thermostat is broken. We got one of the first of these models available in
      the country... I've dismantled it once or twice already. Clearly we've decided it's not a big
      deal.
    • Gerald Lange
      Hi Tom Not sure I can answer that question. Except maybe with an example. When Toyobo changed its formulation a few years ago, the processing times for
      Message 2 of 19 , Jan 11, 2009
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        Hi Tom

        Not sure I can answer that question. Except maybe with an example.
        When Toyobo changed its formulation a few years ago, the processing
        times for exposure and washout were reduced. Which seems a good thing,
        energy wise, etc.

        Can't say I noticed an increase in quality but I certainly did notice
        there was no decrease. I picked up some of their technical studies
        that have a lot of comparison photos; I put a few of them up in the
        photo section a while back.

        The photos seem to reveal cleaner more refined structure. Less debris
        in the relief, less corrosion to the relief slope and printing
        surface. more defined relief slope and drainage, more accurately
        depicted printing surfaces, etc. At the microphotographic level it all
        looks like an inprovement. And, since that is where all the action
        takes place, I assume it is.

        Not sure why Toyobo felt compelled to reformulate an existing and
        successful product line but it may have something to do with the
        ongoing developments toward improving filmless direct-to-plate
        technology. That would seem to be the larger (future) market.

        Gerald
        http://BielerPress.blogspot.com


        --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, typetom@... wrote:
        >
        > Hi Gerald,
        > I have been using Miraclon from Gene Becker ever since (at least 7
        or 8
        > years)... Works fine with my home exposure and hand-washout methods.
        (Exposure
        > time, good plate contact with the negative, washout time, are all
        rather
        > critical but within reasonable limits. Water temperature and
        brushing motions, not
        > so critical).
        >
        > Can you summarize the changes and/or supposed advantages of the more
        recent
        > plate materials?
        > Are the differences substantive or mainly proprietary-commercial?
        > Are they developments due to machine exposure/washout conditions?
        >
        > Thanks, Tom
        >
        >
      • Lamsland
        great discussion guys. Thanks. My concern about the temp is I ll either have to get a mixing panel or just try and get it close with a thermometer and the
        Message 3 of 19 , Jan 12, 2009
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          great discussion guys. Thanks. My concern about the temp is I'll
          either have to get a mixing panel or just try and get it close with a
          thermometer and the spigots. I'm sure the hot water in the house is
          hot enough (120 degrees) I was more curious how precise it needed to be.

          As for brushes, I can get an old matchprint developer/laminator
          machine. The small table top kind. O know it's not made for this use,
          but I like to tinker with machines and though it would be interesting
          to experiment with. Thus the question if rotary bushes would work.

          Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
          Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae

          Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
          Thomas Jefferson

          On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:48 PM, vanhorn_k wrote:

          >
          > > Wow, that's pretty extreme. I've only worked with BASF and
          > Polimero machines, and neither
          > > had such a high temperature that you couldn't leave them on all
          > day with minimal
          > > evaporation, at least with the lid closed. The Polimero machine
          > has a safety that shuts off
          > > power if bath reaches a certain heat, as when someone turns it on
          > without any water
          > present.
          > > --Eric Holub, SF
          > >
          >
          > Yeah, I think our thermostat is broken. We got one of the first of
          > these models available in
          > the country... I've dismantled it once or twice already. Clearly
          > we've decided it's not a big
          > deal.
          >
          >
          >







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        • John G. Henry
          1. Water Temp -- Dan Mayer demonstrated his methods of plate development over the weekend at the College Book Arts Assoc. 1st Biennial Conference in Iowa City,
          Message 4 of 19 , Jan 12, 2009
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            1. Water Temp -- Dan Mayer demonstrated his methods of plate
            development over the weekend at the College Book Arts Assoc. 1st
            Biennial Conference in Iowa City, IA. He indicated that he washed out
            his plates by hand using a stainless photographic developing tray in a
            sink with warm water running, in order to keep the temp somewhat
            consistent. (Same process used in photo print development by hand.)

            As to the motion of the brushes, or plate above the brushes, I assume
            the orbital motion eliminates the chance for individual brush tufts to
            continually interact with the same plate areas, causing the potential
            for brush action to be more aggressive in a circular pattern. When
            washing by hand, you would be wise to imitate the action of the machine
            and not use totally circular or horizontal & vertical strokes on a
            consistent basis.
          • Peter Fraterdeus
            ... Hi, John Sorry I missed Dan s demo on Saturday. I wonder if he has any online material for reference? I was interested in his use of stochastic patterns in
            Message 5 of 19 , Jan 12, 2009
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              On 12 Jan 2009, at 8:48 AM, John G. Henry wrote:

              > 1. Water Temp -- Dan Mayer demonstrated his methods of plate
              > development over the weekend at the College Book Arts Assoc. 1st
              > Biennial Conference in Iowa City, IA. He indicated that he washed out
              > his plates by hand using a stainless photographic developing tray in a
              > sink with warm water running, in order to keep the temp somewhat
              > consistent. (Same process used in photo print development by hand.)

              Hi, John

              Sorry I missed Dan's demo on Saturday.
              I wonder if he has any online material for reference?
              I was interested in his use of stochastic patterns in Photoshop.

              Cheers
              PF


              Peter Fraterdeus
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            • Scott Golem
              Hi, I just got involved with the PPLetterpress mailing list/running forum. I come from an intaglio and silkscreen art background. I am a little slow at text
              Message 6 of 19 , Jan 15, 2009
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                Hi,

                I just got involved with the PPLetterpress mailing list/running forum. I come from an intaglio and silkscreen art background. I am a little slow at text messaging, blogging etc.

                The emails that I'm getting seem to be the answer to a question. How do you follow the trail backwards to get the whole story. Welcome to the 21 century.

                SCott

                Scott Golem, MFA Graphic Designer and Educator www.sgolem@... slgolem1@... 972-617-3864


                --- On Mon, 1/12/09, John G. Henry <JohnH@...> wrote:

                > From: John G. Henry <JohnH@...>
                > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Wash out temp and brushes
                > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:48 AM
                > 1. Water Temp -- Dan Mayer demonstrated his methods of plate
                >
                > development over the weekend at the College Book Arts
                > Assoc. 1st
                > Biennial Conference in Iowa City, IA. He indicated that he
                > washed out
                > his plates by hand using a stainless photographic
                > developing tray in a
                > sink with warm water running, in order to keep the temp
                > somewhat
                > consistent. (Same process used in photo print development
                > by hand.)
                >
                > As to the motion of the brushes, or plate above the
                > brushes, I assume
                > the orbital motion eliminates the chance for individual
                > brush tufts to
                > continually interact with the same plate areas, causing the
                > potential
                > for brush action to be more aggressive in a circular
                > pattern. When
                > washing by hand, you would be wise to imitate the action of
                > the machine
                > and not use totally circular or horizontal & vertical
                > strokes on a
                > consistent basis.
              • Lamsland
                easiest way is to actually go to yahoo s site. Find the groups link, then find the only for PPLetterpress. All the messages are there and you can do a search.
                Message 7 of 19 , Jan 15, 2009
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                  easiest way is to actually go to yahoo's site. Find the groups link,
                  then find the only for PPLetterpress. All the messages are there and
                  you can do a search. .


                  Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                  Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae

                  Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                  Thomas Jefferson

                  On Jan 15, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Scott Golem wrote:

                  > Hi,
                  >
                  > I just got involved with the PPLetterpress mailing list/running
                  > forum. I come from an intaglio and silkscreen art background. I am
                  > a little slow at text messaging, blogging etc.
                  >
                  > The emails that I'm getting seem to be the answer to a question.
                  > How do you follow the trail backwards to get the whole story.
                  > Welcome to the 21 century.
                  >
                  > SCott
                  >
                  > Scott Golem, MFA Graphic Designer and Educator
                  > www.sgolem@...1@... 972-617-3864
                  >
                  > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, John G. Henry <JohnH@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > > From: John G. Henry <JohnH@...>
                  > > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Wash out temp and brushes
                  > > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:48 AM
                  > > 1. Water Temp -- Dan Mayer demonstrated his methods of plate
                  > >
                  > > development over the weekend at the College Book Arts
                  > > Assoc. 1st
                  > > Biennial Conference in Iowa City, IA. He indicated that he
                  > > washed out
                  > > his plates by hand using a stainless photographic
                  > > developing tray in a
                  > > sink with warm water running, in order to keep the temp
                  > > somewhat
                  > > consistent. (Same process used in photo print development
                  > > by hand.)
                  > >
                  > > As to the motion of the brushes, or plate above the
                  > > brushes, I assume
                  > > the orbital motion eliminates the chance for individual
                  > > brush tufts to
                  > > continually interact with the same plate areas, causing the
                  > > potential
                  > > for brush action to be more aggressive in a circular
                  > > pattern. When
                  > > washing by hand, you would be wise to imitate the action of
                  > > the machine
                  > > and not use totally circular or horizontal & vertical
                  > > strokes on a
                  > > consistent basis.
                  >
                  >





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                • Gerald Lange
                  Scott Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PPLetterpress Sign in (you wll need a Yahoo ID), then click on Messages (side panel). This will bring up current
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jan 15, 2009
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                    Scott

                    Go to

                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PPLetterpress

                    Sign in (you wll need a Yahoo ID), then click on Messages (side panel).
                    This will bring up current messages (as well as a search box). You can
                    click on a message and its complete thread will be indexed below it.

                    Gerald
                    PPL

                    Scott Golem wrote:
                    > Hi,
                    >
                    > I just got involved with the PPLetterpress mailing list/running forum. I come from an intaglio and silkscreen art background. I am a little slow at text messaging, blogging etc.
                    >
                    > The emails that I'm getting seem to be the answer to a question. How do you follow the trail backwards to get the whole story. Welcome to the 21 century.
                    >
                    > SCott
                    >
                    > Scott Golem, MFA Graphic Designer and Educator www.sgolem@... slgolem1@... 972-617-3864
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • Scott Golem
                    Gerald, Thanks for the info. I ll try it tomorrow. Scott Scott Golem, MFA Graphic Designer and Educator www.sgolem@westwood.edu slgolem1@sbcglobal.net
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jan 15, 2009
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                      Gerald,

                      Thanks for the info. I'll try it tomorrow.

                      Scott

                      Scott Golem, MFA Graphic Designer and Educator www.sgolem@... slgolem1@... 972-617-3864


                      --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Gerald Lange <Bieler@...> wrote:

                      > From: Gerald Lange <Bieler@...>
                      > Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Wash out temp and brushes
                      > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                      > Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:23 AM
                      > Scott
                      >
                      > Go to
                      >
                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PPLetterpress
                      >
                      > Sign in (you wll need a Yahoo ID), then click on Messages
                      > (side panel).
                      > This will bring up current messages (as well as a search
                      > box). You can
                      > click on a message and its complete thread will be indexed
                      > below it.
                      >
                      > Gerald
                      > PPL
                      >
                      > Scott Golem wrote:
                      > > Hi,
                      > >
                      > > I just got involved with the PPLetterpress mailing
                      > list/running forum. I come from an intaglio and silkscreen
                      > art background. I am a little slow at text messaging,
                      > blogging etc.
                      > >
                      > > The emails that I'm getting seem to be the answer
                      > to a question. How do you follow the trail backwards to get
                      > the whole story. Welcome to the 21 century.
                      > >
                      > > SCott
                      > >
                      > > Scott Golem, MFA Graphic Designer and Educator
                      > www.sgolem@... slgolem1@...
                      > 972-617-3864
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                    • Graham and Kathy
                      ... Boy oh boy, don t you wish that was true! Graham Moss Incline Press 36 Bow Street Oldham OL1 1SJ England http://www.inclinepress.com
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jan 16, 2009
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                        On 15/1/09 15:08, "Lamsland" <lamsland1@...> wrote:

                        > Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                        > Thomas Jefferson


                        Boy oh boy, don't you wish that was true!


                        Graham Moss

                        Incline Press
                        36 Bow Street
                        Oldham OL1 1SJ England

                        http://www.inclinepress.com
                      • Lamsland
                        instead of able to read maybe he should have said bothers to read ??? ;) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jan 16, 2009
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                          instead of able to read maybe he should have said "bothers to
                          read" ??? ;)


                          On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Graham and Kathy wrote:

                          >
                          >
                          > On 15/1/09 15:08, "Lamsland" <lamsland1@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > > Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.
                          > > Thomas Jefferson
                          >
                          > Boy oh boy, don't you wish that was true!
                          >
                          > Graham Moss
                          >
                          > Incline Press
                          > 36 Bow Street
                          > Oldham OL1 1SJ England
                          >
                          > http://www.inclinepress.com
                          >
                          >



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