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  • Lamsland
    How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate? Matthew LAMMY Lamoureux Full Metal Press -
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 11, 2008
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      How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet
      jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate?

      Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
      Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae



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    • Aaron
      A linotype is VERY top heavy! Remove the magaiznes before moving, if there are still in the racks. If your mover doesn t know how to handle top heavy
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 11, 2008
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        A linotype is VERY top heavy! Remove the magaiznes before moving, if
        there are still in the racks. If your mover doesn't know how to handle
        top heavy equipment it will fall over. I had two moved back in the
        70's to my shop. The moving company told me, it takes care in moving them.
        A good fork lift operator can do it, but have everyone away from the
        linotype while it is being moved. I guess it is the weight of an old
        car from the 60's. It heavy and do not just lift it, because you think
        you can do it.

        Aaron Poscovsky
        -- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Lamsland <lamsland1@...> wrote:
        >
        > How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet
        > jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate?
        >
        > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
        > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
        >
        >
        >
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      • parallel_imp
        ... Lammy, a lift gate is inadequate. Tipping is a real possibility even if the rated weight seems OK. Maybe a more stable rail lift might handle it, but the
        Message 3 of 9 , Sep 11, 2008
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          --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Lamsland <lamsland1@...> wrote:
          >
          > How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet
          > jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate?
          >
          Lammy, a lift gate is inadequate. Tipping is a real possibility even
          if the rated weight seems OK. Maybe a more stable rail lift might
          handle it, but the safest way is to rent a hydraulic drop trailer. A
          well-built custom skid is preferable to a used one. You don't want
          anything collapsing in transit.
          What model? I think the simplest Model 5 might weigh about 1750
          without magazine and an empty pot. But added options and more
          complicated models can weigh much more. Be sure you understand how to
          remove the magazine (and lock it) before attempting or mats will spill
          everywhere.
          --Eric Holub, SF
        • nagraph1
          I don t know the weight, but we just moved our model 31 using a pallet jack--legs were lag screwed to 4x4s--and then a fork lift out to a trailer, then fork
          Message 4 of 9 , Sep 11, 2008
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            I don't know the weight, but we just moved our model 31 using a pallet
            jack--legs were lag screwed to 4x4s--and then a fork lift out to a
            trailer, then fork lift again off a trailer, but I would never ever
            consider using the lift gate of any body's truck for a machine like the
            linotype. The machine, depending on model, weighs in more than the
            capacity of most or all of the tail gates, plus they usually have a
            downward slant. Here's a link to a picture of the machine being moved
            into its new location:

            http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166/2848908786_28c42f9965_b.jpg

            Fritz

            Lamsland <lamsland1@...> wrote:
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            > How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet
            > jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate?
            >
            > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
            > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
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          • Lamsland
            Great photo, thanks all for the info so far keep it coming. dumb question, and it s faster for my to type the question than to google the answer, how tall is
            Message 5 of 9 , Sep 11, 2008
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              Great photo, thanks all for the info so far keep it coming.

              dumb question, and it's faster for my to type the question than to
              google the answer, how tall is a linotype?

              FYI, I'm trying to save one plus mats and a kluge from the scrap yard.



              On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:13 PM, nagraph1 wrote:

              > I don't know the weight, but we just moved our model 31 using a pallet
              > jack--legs were lag screwed to 4x4s--and then a fork lift out to a
              > trailer, then fork lift again off a trailer, but I would never ever
              > consider using the lift gate of any body's truck for a machine like
              > the
              > linotype. The machine, depending on model, weighs in more than the
              > capacity of most or all of the tail gates, plus they usually have a
              > downward slant. Here's a link to a picture of the machine being moved
              > into its new location:
              >



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            • Andy Keck
              I moved an Intertype into my garage just a few months ago, so the pain (just kidding, mostly) is still fresh. As noted by others , I have not seen a lift gate
              Message 6 of 9 , Sep 11, 2008
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                I moved an Intertype into my garage just a few months ago, so the pain
                (just kidding, mostly) is still fresh. As noted by others , I have not
                seen a lift gate yet that I would trust in this application, both
                because of the top heavy nature of these machines and the fact that
                most lift gates seem to have a noticeable slope under heavy operation.

                My move was made much easier than I had expected though because a
                previous owner had made two caster frames that bolted to the legs.
                Getting the machine on and off the trailer was still a little sticky
                due to the slight step and the change in angle, but once the Intertype
                was on flat ground, two guys could push it easily. Amazingly enough,
                one guy could move it, although it required additional grunting and
                cursing.

                Take a look at these photos to see what I mean:

                http://web.mac.com/andykeck/_DSC2298.jpg
                http://web.mac.com/andykeck/DSC_2301.jpg

                --
                Andy Keck
                1206 25th Ave E
                Seattle, WA 98112

                Mobile: 206 390 3870
                andykeck@...



                On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Lamsland wrote:

                > How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet
                > jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate?
                >
                > Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                > Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae
                >
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              • parallel_imp
                ... My Model 14 is roughly 78 with the pig feeder off.
                Message 7 of 9 , Sep 11, 2008
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                  --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Lamsland <lamsland1@...> wrote:

                  >, how tall is a linotype?
                  >

                  My Model 14 is roughly 78" with the pig feeder off.
                • Halton
                  To prepare a linecaster for a move rotate the machine so that the mold disk is forward on the locking studs and place a 2x4 block wedged behind the crucible so
                  Message 8 of 9 , Sep 12, 2008
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                    To prepare a linecaster for a move rotate the machine so that the mold disk is forward on the locking studs and place a 2x4 block wedged behind the crucible so it can't move.
                    It will then be safe to move.
                    Joe Halton

                    --- On Thu, 9/11/08, parallel_imp <Megalonyx@...> wrote:
                    From: parallel_imp <Megalonyx@...>
                    Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: How Heavy is a Linotype?
                    To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 10:03 AM











                    --- In PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com, Lamsland <lamsland1@. ..> wrote:

                    >

                    > How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet

                    > jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate?

                    >

                    Lammy, a lift gate is inadequate. Tipping is a real possibility even

                    if the rated weight seems OK. Maybe a more stable rail lift might

                    handle it, but the safest way is to rent a hydraulic drop trailer. A

                    well-built custom skid is preferable to a used one. You don't want

                    anything collapsing in transit.

                    What model? I think the simplest Model 5 might weigh about 1750

                    without magazine and an empty pot. But added options and more

                    complicated models can weigh much more. Be sure you understand how to

                    remove the magazine (and lock it) before attempting or mats will spill

                    everywhere.

                    --Eric Holub, SF


























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                  • Lamsland
                    Thank you very much for that info. I just came back from looking at what s there so excuse my giddyness some. . . . First I will say it saddens and sickens me
                    Message 9 of 9 , Sep 13, 2008
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                      Thank you very much for that info.

                      I just came back from looking at what's there so excuse my giddyness
                      some. . . .

                      First I will say it saddens and sickens me to see a printer like this
                      going out of business. I don't know if anyone on this list from NY/
                      New England will remember but this used to be PM Typesetting many
                      moons ago. All they did was set hot metal for other printers. At one
                      time they had more than 4 linotypes.

                      I wasn't able to see what model of linotype it was as the lighting
                      was bad and it was mostly covered with a tarp and "stuff". All I know
                      is it's intact, was working, has a full magazine loaded and is all
                      electric, no gas.

                      There is also a Kluge there, about 10 x 12, A smaller windmill, A
                      smaller KS with no ink train but with the ink cases still there, a 4'
                      x 5' free standing stone, a challange cutter with the metal tape,
                      and about 2 dozen mats for the Lino.

                      We were hoping the owner would show but he didn't so the guy I was
                      with is going to pass on what I said about things. So it's wait and
                      see some more. First and for most I'd like to see the equipment
                      preserved and not scrapped. I would like to start a printing museum
                      with demonstrations and classes as there really is non in
                      Connecticut, but have no idea or money to know where to start. If my
                      tugging on this guys hearts strings plus the reality of there not
                      being a very large market for this equipment convinces him to let me
                      take if for nothing, I still have the issue of moving and storing it.
                      As much as I'd like to have it all to "play" with, I may be back on
                      here offing up to whom ever can save it.


                      Matthew "LAMMY" Lamoureux
                      Full Metal Press - Operis servo a specialis nundinae

                      On Sep 12, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Halton wrote:

                      > To prepare a linecaster for a move rotate the machine so that the
                      > mold disk is forward on the locking studs and place a 2x4 block
                      > wedged behind the crucible so it can't move.
                      > It will then be safe to move.
                      > Joe Halton
                      >
                      > --- On Thu, 9/11/08, parallel_imp <Megalonyx@...> wrote:
                      > From: parallel_imp <Megalonyx@...>
                      > Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: How Heavy is a Linotype?
                      > To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
                      > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 10:03 AM
                      >
                      > --- In PPLetterpress@ yahoogroups. com, Lamsland <lamsland1@. ..>
                      > wrote:
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                      > > How heavy is a linotype? Can one be skidded and moved with a pallet
                      >
                      > > jack then taken off a truck on a lift gate?
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                      > >
                      >
                      > Lammy, a lift gate is inadequate. Tipping is a real possibility even
                      >
                      > if the rated weight seems OK. Maybe a more stable rail lift might
                      >
                      > handle it, but the safest way is to rent a hydraulic drop trailer. A
                      >
                      > well-built custom skid is preferable to a used one. You don't want
                      >
                      > anything collapsing in transit.
                      >
                      > What model? I think the simplest Model 5 might weigh about 1750
                      >
                      > without magazine and an empty pot. But added options and more
                      >
                      > complicated models can weigh much more. Be sure you understand how to
                      >
                      > remove the magazine (and lock it) before attempting or mats will spill
                      >
                      > everywhere.
                      >
                      > --Eric Holub, SF
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