12652Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Shelf Life for Photopolymer plates
- Jun 18, 2011Ed
I'll stand by my statements.
It's a mute point anyway. Most folks who buy processed photopolymer
plates these days don't get the film negatives anyway. The primary
suppliers don't charge for film processing and are thus under no
obligation to provide the film negs to their clients. They end up in
On 6/18/11 9:44 PM, Ed Inman wrote:
> My response was to your direct quote, Gerald:
> "The old mantra was 'save your negs.' This is no longer valid. Very recent governmental regulations and changes in film chemistry have greatly reduced the longevity of film negatives. I see film negs going bad between six months to a year."
> I'll leave it to others to determine who is being "misleading," but I would maintain that if you are truly seeing your film negs "going bad between six months to a year" something is obviously being done wrong that has little to do with contemporary film chemistry or government regulations.
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gerald Lange<Bieler@...>
>> Sent: Jun 18, 2011 11:15 PM
>> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Shelf Life for Photopolymer plates
>> Hi Ed
>> Well, first of all, you have not been on this list since day one, not by
>> a long shot. In fact, that honor belongs solely to me.
>> I would hardly herald the end of film since my livelihood depends upon
>> it. But it certainly behooves me to notify folks that the options are
>> disappearing. There is far less choice in film today than there was just
>> a few years ago, and far fewer suppliers of it. A great many of the
>> "service bureaus" that were once relied upon in Los Angeles are now gone.
>> Your reconstruction of my comment about the government is, of course,
>> purposefully misleading. I did not say there were very recent
>> governmental regulations to greatly reduce the life of ... film
>> negatives. Please do not distort what someone says just to make your own
>> My comment about changes in film chemistry are based on what suppliers
>> have told me. I have no idea of what other areas of film production
>> might be, per your reference to the Analog Photography Users Group, my
>> concern is only to what is applicable to photopolymer plate processing.
>> And to say that it does not look promising for the letterpress printer
>> should not be so easily dismissed. We are not talking here about
>> photography and the abilities of folks who are knowledgeable regarding
>> using silver based film negatives in the darkroom.
>> On 6/18/11 8:09 PM, Ed Inman wrote:
>>> Gerald is an accomplished printer who often gives great advice, but he has also been heralding the end of film (and generally antagonistic about its future) since day one on this list. So anything he proclaims about film "going bad" in 6 months to a year needs to be considered in that light.
>>> There have, in fact, been no "very recent governmental regulations" to "greatly reduce" the life of any silver based black& white film negatives. At least none that have appeared on the Analog Photography Users Group or other professional photography sites where people actually know something about photo chemistry.
>>> Has film gotten more expensive? Yes. Is film indestructible? No. But most properly-processed silver based lith film negatives stored in a cool, dry environment will easily last 100 years, and a whole new generation is learning to appreciate the value of (and guarantee the future of) traditional camera films of all types:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Eric<Megalonyx@...>
>>>> Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Shelf Life for Photopolymer plates
>>>> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Lange"<Bieler@...> wrote:
>>>>> 3) The old mantra was "save your negs." This is no longer valid. Very recent governmental regulations and changes in film chemistry have greatly reduced the longevity of film negatives. I see film negs going bad between six months to a year. And I have perfectly fine film negatives that are well over a decade old.
>>>> Do you think this is true for all graphic arts film, or just the RA film used in imagesetting? Are they getting rid of the silver? It should be that silver emulsion properly fixed and properly rinsed would be permanent. Machine-processed film would not have the same duration of fix and especially rinse that tray-developed film could.
>>>> --Eric Holub, SF
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