11151Re: [PPLetterpress] Re: Dismantling a Windmill for moving
- Nov 5, 2009Hello all,
I just moved a windmill about two months ago. It was already
dismantled. The table (with paper feed etc.) was on a different pallet
than the base. I just hired a truck and was able to put it on the
truck with help from the people from whom I bought it. I tried
unloading it with the help of my father and nearly killed myself. No
kidding! It's not fun when 1 ton of heavy german steal on a pallet-
jack is pushing you from the truck ramp. I was lucky enough that one
of the pallet-jack wheels got caught somewhere on the ramp and stopped
the whole pallet-jack + windmill base to go further. If this didn't
happen, I definitely couldn't write you these few lines.
I managed to get the base from the truck anyway, but soon after it
fell over onto the street. Unfortunately onto the impression throw-
off lever, which got bend below the weight of the base. I couldn't get
the base up again and from the street. So I had to call a heavy
machinery moving company who picked it up with a forklift and put it
in my garage. So I head to pay someone anyway. If I had hired them
from the start to unload the windmill, it probably wouldn't be damaged
(which I was able to fix by now) and I wouldn't have risked my life.
I know letterpress is a passion, but one to die for or even worse get
crippled for? I've learned from that, that I will never move the
windmill or a windmill on my own again.
Just another note about dismantling the windmill. I've found a retired
german heidelberg service technician, who helped me repair my windmill
and will help me to restore it. He said dismantling the table and
other pieces like the engine and the air pump doesn't really hurt the
windmill. It will all fit together again nicely. The advantage is,
that you will have the chance to give the windmill a good clean up
Hope this helps
Am 05.11.2009 um 06:18 schrieb bielerpr:
> I really didn't want to get into this, having moved lots of presses
> in my time and with lots of amazing stories, but, quite frankly, who
> cares? why do guys get off on this?
> A member called me up on the phone tonight and said, "tell them to
> make a phone call."
> Really, unless you are young and poor and stupid, make the call. To
> a reputable press mover. You may live, without physical damage, to
> tell about it.
> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Peter Fraterdeus <peterf@...>
>> Hmmm. OK, got some time to offer my two cents here.
>> On 4 Nov 2009, at 8:51 PM, jason@... wrote:
>>> I was working on a 14.5x22 beast earlier this summer, and I'm
>>> currently working on a 10x15 - believe me, the former makes the
>>> latter look and feel like a toy. Seems to me that without too much
>>> trouble you can get the ink disk, etc., the platen, the flywheel &
>>> shaft, and other smaller bits off, leaving you with the main hulk of
>>> the press. At that point it doesn't seem too terrible to line your
>>> stairs with some 1" plywood, load and strap the press onto a palet-
>>> jack, and hoist it up your stairs. The trick, of course, being that
>>> you'll need something like a tank to hook your come-along into.
>> There's a big difference between a C&P - even 14.5x22 - and a
>> Heidelberg ;-)
>> I'd sure hate to go through dismantling a Windmill if I didn't have
>> to! And hope I never have to!
>>> If it was all level ground - then yes no problem, it could be sort
>>> of pleasurable. I have pallet jacks, hydraulic jacks, a come along
>>> and even a pallet lifter - but how do I get it up 7 concrete
>>> So far the highest quote is $8000.00 !!!
>>> Even after contacting Heidelberg to dismantle it, I am still not
>>> convinced that they are even comfortable with it.
>>> It's a real shame to be honest...... not sure what to do.
>> Still, as far as the steps go, a ramp and a skid is the way to go. If
>> you can get the press on a skid, two 6x12 timbers, say, bolted down
>> with lags, and a couple of cold-steel rods to slip under these.
>> You can move anything with 5/8 inch steel rods. Just jimmy up the
>> front of your skid and get the roller under it.
>> Move tons with your pinky ;-) (once it's moving, anyway...)
>> The ramp, of course, will need to be very solid. But wood is very
>> strong, if used correctly.
>> My friends in Anamosa have been known to hire an auto-tow-truck, and
>> use the winch to move/skid a press out of wherever and then pick it
>> (with plenty and multiple and redundant cables and straps) to get it
>> on a palette.
>> Is the door frame solid?
>> My first shop was moved out of a basement (back in 1980) in downtown
>> Evanston, IL. The mover put two timbers across the threshold of the
>> doorway at the top of the stairs (fortunately a straight shot), and
>> mounted his winch behind that. Put the presses on skids (as above),
>> hooked a heavy wire cable to the press (around the frame and hooked
>> back onto itself) to the press and pulled it right up the stairs. I
>> think he only had a ramp up the first few, since once it's on the
>> angle, the skids will come right along the stairs (assuming they are
>> all at the same grade). Skids are chamfered at the ends to assist
>> this, of course.
>> Basic machines are your friend :^) Think of it like moving a huge
>> block of granite up the pyramids!
>> Inclined plane, rollers, winches, hydraulic jacks, Johnson Bar, or
>> biggest crowbar available.
>> Non-stretching rope, heavy mesh straps, etc.
>> If you have to slide the skid (as opposed to rolling) get a few yards
>> of scrap carpet. Will help slide loads over all kinds of surfaces,
>> either carpet side down to protect the floor, or carpet side up to
>> provide a smoother ride over ridges, thresholds, and so forth.
>> The Windmill has a set of holes in the frame through which you can
>> a 2 inch steel pipe (the heavier the better) (I think it's 2
>> The ones shown in the photo were a bit thin and bent in the process,
>> but no problem holding the weight of the press.
>> See photo here:
>> I was fortunate to have this 'little' electric fork to work with,
>> although I didn't know there was a longer set of forks available,
>> which would have helped a lot...
>> But we also used simple jack and wedge to get the other press off its
>> Or ON the palette/skids if you don't have a way to lift it otherwise.
>> Get a pipe in there, build a stack of 2x4s under each end of it, and
>> jack up the front of the press until you can slide another 2x4 on the
>> pile, then, let the jack down, put a 2x4 under the jack and repeat.
>> Then repeat at the other end of the press.
>> The pipes need to be long enough and the stacks of wood need to be
>> enough apart to eventually be able to get your skids under the foot
>> the press... Reverse to get it off the skids...
>> Also remember to put your drip pan down before putting the press in
>> Anyway, the first rule of moving presses is don't try to save it if
>> starts goin' over ;-)
>> Seriously. Really.
>> The second rule is think three times before putting any strain on
>> self, or your equipment, and make sure it will NOT go over by lifting
>> from above if at all possible.
>> I can say rigging's a pleasurable sort of activity for problem
>> and back of the envelope engineer types ;-)
>> Good luck and be safe!
>> PS Feel free to send me half of the eight-grand for the free
>> advice ;-)
>>> A pleasurable activity?..............right...............
>>> Is your home shop in a basement????????? I highly doubt it.
>> Peter Fraterdeus
>> Exquisite Letterpress from Slow Print Studios
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