Report of the Second Meeting of Catholic-Oriental Orthodox Theological Dialogue
- Report of the Second Meeting of the International Joint Commission for
Theological Dialogue Between the Catholic Church and the Oriental Orthodox
Rome, Italy, 26-29 January 2005
Catholic and Oriental Orthodox representatives, delegated by their churches,
held their second meeting from 26-29 January 2005, as members of the
International Joint Commission for Theological Dialogue between the Catholic
Church and the Oriental Orthodox Churches, under the co-chairmanship of H.E.
Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting
Christian Unity, and H.E.Metropolitan Amba Bishoy of Damiette, General
Secretary of the Holy Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Church.
The meeting was held in Rome at the Domus Internationalis Paulus VI,hosted
by the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. Delegates were
present from the Catholic Church and from the following Oriental Orthodox
Churches: the Coptic Orthodox Church, the Syrian Orthodox Church, the
Armenian Apostolic Church (Catholicosate of All Armenians), the Armenian
Apostolic Church (Catholicosate of Cilicia), the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido
Church, the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church and the Eritrean Orthodox
The representatives of the Oriental Orthodox Church held their separate
preparatory meeting on Tuesday 25 January 2005. Both delegations held
additional separate meetings during the dialogue. Each working day commenced
with morning prayers and concluded with evening prayers and the meetings
were conducted in a very cordial atmosphere.
The delegates were invited to attend the ecumenical vespers traditionally
celebrated at the conclusion of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity on
the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (25January) at the Basilica of St.
Paul Outside the Walls, which were presided over by H.E. Cardinal Walter
The members of the Commission were received in audience by H.H. Pope John
Paul II on Friday 28 January 2005. On behalf of the Commission Metropolitan
Amba Bishoy addressed the Pope conveying the greetings of the Heads of the
Oriental Orthodox Churches, and the Pope responded with a brief message of
welcome and encouragement.
On Friday 28th January the Commission was invited to share in vespers and a
meal with the Benedictine Community of Sant' Anselmo.
As had been agreed upon at the first meeting of the International Joint
Commission in Cairo in January 2004, the principal themes were:
a) Understanding of Communion, Constitutive Elements of Communion;
b)Particular and Universal Communion, Meaning of Sister Churches and of
c) Full Communion and Degrees of Communion, Common Ecumenical Goal.
During the course of the meeting papers were presented from the Catholic
Church and Oriental Orthodox Churches on these themes:
1)"The Church as Communion in Early Christian Thought" (Fr. Mark Sheridan);
2) "Communion-Sister Churches-Church Families" (Archbishop Mesrob K.
3) "Full Communion and the Degrees of Communion, Common Ecumenical Goal"
(Fr. Philippe Luisier);
4) "Full Communion and Degrees of Communion, Common Ecumenical Goal"
(Metropolitan Amba Bishoy and Fr. Shenouda Maher);
5) "Particular Church/Universal Church, Sister Churches, Ecclesial Families"
(Fr. Paul Rouhana);
6)"Understanding Communion, Constitutive Elements of Communion" (Rev.Megabe
Biluy Seife Selassie Yohannes and Lique Hiruyan Getachew Guadie).
Discussion in the plenary sessions on the papers allowed the participants to
reach the following common affirmations:
1) The Church by its very nature is a communion, which finds its source and
model in the communion of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit. This communion finds its expression in conciliarity/collegiality.
The question of primacy should be further studied.
2) The constitutive elements of communion include:
a. the Apostolic faith as lived in the Tradition and as expressed in the
Holy Scriptures, the first three ecumenical councils, and the
Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed; we believe in Jesus Christ the Incarnate
Word of God, the same being true God and true man; we venerate the Holy
Virgin Mary as Mother of God;
b. the celebration of the seven sacraments (baptism,
confirmation/chrismation, eucharist, penance/reconciliation, ordination,
matrimony, anointing of the sick); we consider baptism as essential for
salvation; with regard to the Eucharist, we believe that it is the true Body
and Blood of Jesus Christ;
c. the ordained ministry in Apostolic succession. However, from a Catholic
point of view, the question of the mutual recognition of baptism must be a
point of further discussion,
3) Thanks to the many shared elements of communion, the Catholic Church uses
the phrases "real though incomplete communion" and "degrees of communion".
However, from the point of view of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, these
terms require further study.
4) The Oriental Orthodox Churches, being in full communion with each other
in faith and sacraments, refer to their unity by the term "family of
Churches". However, from the point of view of the Catholic Church, this
concept requires further study, since it is not a part of its tradition.
The next meeting of the International Joint Commission will be hosted by the
Catholicosate of All Armenians at Holy Etchmiadzin, Armenia, from Wednesday
25 January (day of arrival) till Tuesday 31 January 2006 (day of departure).
Both delegations will have separate meetings on Thursday 26 January. Friday
27, Saturday 28 and Monday 30 will be full meeting days for the Joint
Three papers from each side will be prepared on the following issues:
1. Bishops in Apostolic Succession;
2. Primacy and Synodality/Conciliarity;
3. Synods, local and ecumenical (their ecclesiological meaning).
Papers will be sent to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
in the Vatican, by November 15th , 2005, for communication to the members of
the Commission, not later than December 1st, 2005.
The members of the International Joint Commission were:
Representatives of the Oriental Orthodox churches
Coptic Orthodox Church :
H.E. Amba Bishoy (co-chair), Metropolitan of Damiette, General Secretary of
the Holy Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Church;
Rev. Fr. Dr. Shenouda Maher Ishak (Rochester, U.S.A) ;
Syrian Orthodox Church :
H.E. Mor Theophilus George Saliba, Archbishop of Mount Lebanon, Secretary of
the Holy Synod of the Syrian Orthodox Church;
H.G. Dr. Kuriakose Theophilose, M.S.O.T. Seminary,Vettickal, India;
Armenian Apostolic Church (Catholicosate of all Armenians):
H.E. Dr.Mesrob K. Krikorian, Archbishop of Vienna;
H.E. Khajag Barsamian,Archbishop of the Eastern Diocese of the Armenian
Church of America;
Armenian Apostolic Church (Catholicosate of Cilicia):
H.E. Archbishop Oshagan Choloyan, Prelate of the Eastern Prelacy in the
H.G. Bishop Nareg Alemezian, Ecumenical Officer of the Catholicosate of
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church:
Rev. Megabe Biluy Seife Selassie Yohannes, Member of the Scholar Council of
Lique Hiruyan Getachew Guadie; Head of Department of Foreign Relations;
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church:
H.E. Philipos Mar Eusebios, Metropolitan of Pathanamthitta;
Rev. Dr. John Mathews (co-secretary), Secretary of the Committee on
Eritrean Orthodox Tewahido Church:
Rev. Fr. Kaleab Gebreselassie, Co-ordinator for Foreign Affairs;
H.G. Bishop Abuna Shenouda Zeamanuel (Rome), substitute for Mr. Yoftahe
Dimetrios, General Director of the Eritrean Orthodox Church (prevented).
Representatives of the Catholic Church
H.E. Cardinal Walter Kasper (co-chair), President of the Pontifical Council
for Promoting Christian Unity;
H.E. Paul-Werner Scheele, Bishop em. of Würzburg, Germany;
H.E. Amba Kyrillos William, Coptic Catholic Bishop of Assiut, President of
the Ecumenical Commission of the Catholic Church in Egypt;
H.E. Mons. Jules Mikhael Al-Jamil, Procurator of the Syrian Catholic
Patriarchate to the Holy See and Apostolic Visitator in Europe;
H.E. Mons. Boutros Marayati, Armenian Catholic Archbishop of
Aleppo,President of the Ecumenical Commission of the Catholic Church in
H.E. Mons. Woldetensae Ghebreghiorghis, Apostolic Vicar of Harar (Ethiopia),
President of the Ecumenical Commission of the Catholic Church in Ethiopia
Rev. Fr. Mathew Vellanickal, Vicar General of the Archdiocese of
Rev. Fr. Ronald Roberson, Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious
Affairs of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Washington,
Rev. Fr. Frans Bouwen, M.Afr., Consultant to the Pontifical Council for
Promoting Christian Unity, Jerusalem;
Rev. Fr. Philippe Luisier, S.J., Pontificio Istituto Orientale, Rome;
Rev. Fr. Mark Sheridan, O.S.B., Dean of the Faculty of Theology, Pontificio
Ateneo S. Anselmo, Rome;
Rev. Fr. Boghos Levon Zekiyan, Pontificio Istituto Orientale, Rome;
Rev. Fr. Paul Rouhana, O.L.M., Université Saint-Esprit, Kaslik, Jounieh,
Prof. Dietmar W. Winkler, School of Theology, Boston University, USA;
Msgr. Johan Bonny (co-secretary), staff-member of the Pontifical Council for
Promoting Christian Unity.
Cardinal Walter Kasper
Rome, 29 Jamuary 2005