--- In OriginsTalk@yahoogroups.com
, Charles Palm wrote:
> D R Lindberg: If you asked someone for evidence of World War II, he
> send you complete copies of the Japanese plans for attacking Pearl
> and it seems that you would still reject it all.
> Kamran: Reasoning by totally false analogy noted.
> Charles P: Kamran has a legitimate question and D R Lindberg provides
> link to a video, What Darwin Never Knew, which draws attention away
> the central issue. Nothing in the video explains the evolution of new
> parts from unrelated ancestors.
What are you talking about?
Why would anyone want an explanation of something that never happens?
> D R Lindberg: You seem to have a strange idea of what evidence is and
> it can show.
> Kamran: Yes it appears strange to you that I expect that the evidence
> should match the scope of the claim!!!!! Now if you could only
> breading dogs from wolves can explain the origination of body plans or
> origination of organisms, etc. Is there any other amazing thing you
> me to accept based on your evolutionary dreams?
> Charles P:
> would be a perfect opportunity for D R Lindberg to explain to all of
> here on Origins Talk how the old Theory of Evolution can have it both
> (1) body parts are inherited by descendants from a common ancestor
> they are RELATED. (2) body parts are inherited by descendants from a
> common ancestor because they are NOT RELATED.
> Charles P: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Big_and_little_dog_1.jpg
> design of the body parts of chihuahuas and great danes were inherited
> a common ancestor, probably the gray wolf.
> Charles P: The design of the body parts of shrews, most bats, most
> cetaceans, and two unrelated bird groups were not inherited from a
> ancestor. The old Theory of Evolution should either provide empirical
> verifiable evidence for common ancestry between non-related groups or
> old Theory of Evolution should be updated to teach science students
> what is actually observed in nature.
You say you are not a creationist, but here again you are using a
standard creationist tactic: invent something ridiculous, pretend that
it is what "evolutionists" believe, and then conclude that
"evolutionists" believe something ridiculous.
> Animal echolocation:
> is the biological sonar used by several animals such as shrews, most
> bats, and most cetaceans. Two bird groups also employ this system for
> navigating through caves, the so called cave swiftlets in the genus
> Aerodramus (formerlyCollocalia) and the unrelated Oilbird Steatornis
> caripensis. Echolocating animals emit calls out to the environment
> listen to the echoes of those calls that return from various objects
> environment. They use these echoes to locate, range, and identify the
> objects. Echolocation is used for navigation and for foraging (or
> in various environments.
> Animal echolocation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_echolocation
> Evolution is mentioned 17 times without any empirical and verifiable
> evidence of common ancestry between non-related groups.
Dictionaries and encyclopedias are for explaining things briefly at an
introductory level for those who are not specialists. If you want
evidence, read the scientific journals where the evidence is published
for all who have the interest or honesty needed to go and look at it.
> D R Lindberg: When dealing with an enormous subject, one can only
> with one part of it at a time. What do you expect from one short
> Kamran: I expect the short posting to have a token of relevance to the
> transformations that are credited to the evolutionary story.
> story is about something coming from nothing.
> D R Lindberg: But if it makes you feel superior to attack everything,
> Kamran: I don't attack anything. If you think evolution happens,
> provide a piece of good argument or evidence and I'll gladly review
> analyze it.
> Charles P:
> too. Let us resolve the unscientific parts of the old Theory of
> that do not adequately explain the common design of animal
> Then, we will be able to discuss all of the other examples of common
> design in non-related groups.
There is no common design of animal echolocation. If you look carefully,
you can see that it works differently in different kinds of animals.
"Facts -- those are the cobbles that make up the road upon which we
travel." Hercule Poirot, "Murder in Mesopotamia"
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