Re: The Magician's Twin: C.S. Lewis and the Case against Scientism
- --- In OriginsTalk@yahoogroups.com, Charles Palm <palmcharlesUU@...> wrote:
> David Williams: You seem to have a predilection for bogosity. The
> Magician's Twin: C.S. Lewis and the Case against Scientism video was put
> out by the Discovery Institute which disseminates a lot of bogosity. Since
> you seem to rely so much on bogosity for much of your worldview, you are
> very helpful in exposing bogosity. If a post comes from you, it is a safe
> bet that it deals with bogosity of one kind or another.
> Charles P: Humorous and nonstandard = all messages on Origins Talk. The
> funniest part is that each person seriously believes that they are right
> and that their opponents are wrong.
> Charles P: I am bilingual and bicultural. I was born and raised in Texas.
> I now live in Idaho. I lived and worked in management in the Mexico City
> area for 18 years. I am a certified Spanish / English interpreter. I
> retired after 14 years as an over-the-phone work-at-home interpreter. For
> most of my life I have worked in management for science and industry. I
> have interpreted for both cultures and both languages in a myriad of
> situations including areas of science, medicine, legal, financial, etc. I
> had to pass tests in BOTH languages to become certified. If you understood
> human behavior from my perspective, you would lighten up and enjoy the
> messages on Origins Talk a lot more.
> Charles P:
> Scientism is endemic to Americans, not just the Discovery Institute.
> Please watch the Eisenhower Farewell Address and pay close attention to
> what he says about balance.
> Dwight D. Eisenhower: Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop,
> has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and
> testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the
> fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a
> revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs
> involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for
> intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of
> new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation's
> scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money
> is ever present -- and is gravely to be regarded.
> Dwight D. Eisenhower: Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in
> respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite
> danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a
> scientific-technological elite.
> Charles P: Some people are like *the solitary inventor, tinkering in his
> shop* (the belief that Sasquatch is real, for example). Some people seek
> and find that *a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for
> intellectual curiosity* (they seek government protection of the Sasquatch
> population as if they were Native American).
> Dr. Melba Ketchum the head of DNA Diagnostics, Timpson, Texas: Ketchum
> calls on public officials and law enforcement to immediately recognize the
> Sasquatch as an indigenous people: *Genetically, the Sasquatch are a human
> hybrid with unambiguously modern human maternal ancestry. Government at all
> levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect
> their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their
> physical and cultural differences a license to hunt, trap, or kill them.*
> Charles P: Some people seek and find that *a government contract becomes
> virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity* (they seek government
> protection in the form of a Constitutional Amendment).
> The Associated Press:
> to hunt, fish, trap now protected in Idaho Constitution. Supporters argued
> that including protections in the constitution were essential to heading
> off any future attempt by animal rights groups or trapping critics to
> curtail or ban hunting, fishing and trapping in the state.
> Charles P: You are correct, David, I am guilty of bogosity = humorous and
> nonstandard. As you said, *Since you seem to rely so much on bogosity for
> much of your worldview, you are very helpful in exposing bogosity. If a
> post comes from you, it is a safe bet that it deals with bogosity of one
> kind or another*.
> Charles P: I hope so. After we all lighten up and quit these silly
> debates, we can seriously consider the empirical and verifiable evidence
> for the description for the origin and diversity of life. The dogmas of
> Darwinism have become *virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity*.
> James A Shapiro has reintroduced us to the molecular science to put us
> back on the path of finding tentative scientific answers, not dogmas. I am
> only the messenger.
> James A Shapiro:
> http://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/OriginsTalk/message/30060 One reason
> Darwinism has failed to convince skeptics may be that it ignores over 60
> years of molecular science.
A contrarian is a person who takes up a position opposed to that of the majority, regardless of how unpopular it may be. Contrarian styles of argument and disagreement have historically been associated with radicalism and dissent
Contrarianism and nay-saying
Different than mere dissent and authentic disagreement in various settings such as academic, policy making, personal, social and more; sometimes a contrarian position is taken to gainsay and nay-say another person's statement, and as is evidenced in the word "gainsay" the motivation is not to give an accurate counter point, but rather a misguided attempt to appear "better" by using a contrarian argument, which are often weak and rely only on rhetoric as they reflect as the nay-sayer's pessimism. Some have said it is an attempt to deny clear evidence merely for political gain, as is done by certain industries when it comes to important evidence of public safety and medical concerns that could effect the sales of the companies in the industry.
Contrarianism in science
In science, the term "contrarian" is often applied to those who reject a general scientific consensus on some particular issue, as well as to scientists who pursue research strategies which are rejected by most researchers in the field. Contrarians are particularly prominent in cases where scientific evidence bears on political, social or cultural controversies such as disputes over policy responses to climate change, or creationism versus evolution.
Writers on scientific topics commonly described as "contrarian" include David Berlinski, a critic of mainstream views on evolution, and Richard Lindzen, a critic of the scientific consensus on climate change. Bjorn Lomborg, who claims to accept the scientific consensus on climate change, but argues against action to mitigate it, has been called "the poster boy of the contrarian trend".
Scientific contrarianism is frequently referred to, favorably, as skepticism and, pejoratively as denialism. An example of the latter usage is climate change denialism.
David Williams: A lone wolf doing science in his garage can be a genius, or a deluded crank. There are more deluded cranks than there are geniuses.