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Living things are designed to evolve.

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  • Charles Palm
    Charles P: Stewart, there is no reason to be afraid of the 21st Century version of The Theory of Evolution. The scientific evidence can be embraced by
    Message 1 of 38 , Oct 27, 2012
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      Charles P: Stewart, there is no reason to be afraid of the 21st Century
      version of The Theory of Evolution. The scientific evidence can
      be embraced by everyone regardless of their religious beliefs or
      non-beliefs. You are partially correct in stating that "The Theory of
      Evolution doesn't now, nor has it ever considered life to be a deliberate

      Charles P: Some scientists do now consider life to be a deliberate design.
      Some scientists have always considered life to be a deliberate design.
      The stumbling block for some other scientists seems to be the assumption
      that if we accept as axiomatic that "living things are designed", it means
      that we must also describe The Designer. Accepting something as axiomatic
      would imply moving on to find scientific answers to "why" and "how" this
      design originated.

      Charles P: Those questions about The Designer can't be answered
      empirically and verifiably, so some scientists in the 20th Century rejected
      the idea of design in nature. This problem is very similar to the problems
      that The Catholic Church had with their dogmas about the earth being the
      center of the universe.

      David C. Lindberg and Ronald L. Numbers:
      http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1987/PSCF9-87Lindberg.html#17 Some of the
      bloodiest battles, White believed, had been fought during the sixteenth and
      seventeenth centuries, the period of the so-called Scientific Revolution,
      when powerful church leaders repeatedly tried to silence the pioneers of
      modern science. Nicolaus Copernicus, who dared to locate the sun at the
      center of the planetary system, risked his very life to publish his
      heretical views and escaped "persecution only by death. " Many of his
      disciples met a less happy fate: Bruno was "burned alive as a monster of
      impiety; Galileo tortured and humiliated as the worst of unbelievers;
      Kepler hunted alike by Protestants and Catholics." Andreas Vesalius, the
      sixteenth-century physician who laid the foundations of modern anatomy by
      insisting on careful first-hand dissection of the human body, paid for his
      temerity by being "hunted to death."

      Charles P: Stewart, the choice is yours. You can continue to reject every
      idea that you disagree with. However, you can't change the fact that more
      and more scientists are recognizing that living things are designed to
      evolve. You know that you are wrong in assuming that the 20th Century
      version of The Theory of Evolution is a complete description for the
      diversity of life. That kind of dogma should never be taught in science
      classes and is a waste of time here on Origins Talk.

      Stewart: What is it called if you continue to make the same mistakes over
      and over again, without ever showing any sign of recognising your errors?

      Charles P: Stewart is numpty if he continues to make the same mistakes
      over and over again, without ever showing any sign of recognizing his

      Charles P: The mistake I have made over and over again is to insist that
      you consider as axiomatic what James A Shapiro has written. It is my
      mistake to assume that you would do your homework before commenting on my
      messages. A reasonable person would accept the concept of "living things
      are designed to evolve" as being axiomatic. Then, it would be reasonable
      to ask questions like "why" and "how" in order to discover something new.
      After a thorough discussion of the empirical evidence that has been tested
      and verified in 1,162 references, it would be reasonable to agree to
      disagree. However, there is the possibility that you might learn something
      new instead of wasting your time by repeating the same old 20th Century
      dogmas of The Theory of Evolution.

      Charles P: The 21st Century version of The Theory of Evolution is showing
      us that biology is an information science. The nine basic principles of
      natural genetic engineering described by James A Shapiro will help all of
      us here on Origins Talk to understand the empirical and verifiable
      processes that direct all living things to interact purposefully to ensure
      survival, growth, and proliferation.

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    • Charles Palm
      Tia Ghose: http://www.livescience.com/25190-genetic-roots-vertebrate-intelligence.html Cognitive Big Bang Discovered in Tiny Sea Worm. Several brainy
      Message 38 of 38 , Dec 5, 2012
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        Tia Ghose:
        'Cognitive Big Bang' Discovered in Tiny Sea Worm. Several "brainy"
        that were duplicated in a tiny sea creature nearly 550 million years ago
        may have led to the massive expansion in intelligence in vertebrate
        species, two new studies have found.

        James A Shapiro: References #40, #41: Life requires cognition at all

        James A Shapiro: References #93 - #95: We can think of this two-level
        proofreading process as equivalent to a quality-control system in human
        manufacturing. Like human quality-control systems, it is based on
        surveillance and correction (cognitive processes) rather than mechanical
        precision. The multistep nature of proofreading is typical of many control
        processes in cells,
        where final precision is achieved by a sequence of two or more interactions
        that are each themselves inherently less precise. In this regard, the most
        applicable cybernetic models are fuzzy logic control systems. In such
        systems, accurate regulation occurs by overlaying multiple imprecise
        (“fuzzy”) feedback controls arranged so that each successive event results
        in greater precision.

        James A Shapiro: In other words, we have numerous precise molecular
        descriptions of cell cognition, which range all the way from bacterial
        nutrition to mammalian cell biology and development. The cognitive,
        informatic view of how living cells operate and utilize their genomes is
        radically different from the genetic determinism perspective articulated
        most succinctly, in the
        last century, by Francis Crick’s famous “Central Dogma of Molecular
        Biology.” So it is appropriate to direct our attention to evaluating the
        validity of Crick’s formulation in light of 21st Century knowledge.

        James A Shapiro: A shift from thinking about gradual selection of
        localized random changes to sudden genome restructuring by sensory
        network-influenced cell systems is a major conceptual change. It replaces
        the “invisible hands” of geological time and natural selection with
        cognitive networks and cellular functions for self-modification. The
        emphasis is systemic rather than atomistic and information-based rather
        than stochastic.

        Stochastic: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stochastic Involving chance
        or probability.

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