Re: [NyackSocialScene] Can Bush take the heat ??
- The Journal News spoke their piece on this and here's their opinion which I happen to agree with. We have every right to vent to whoever will listen. The rush to impeach Bill Clinton over the matter of a stain on a blue dress pales in comparison to what this sitting RESIDENT in the White House has done to this country. From the dining room table to Village Hall to the Halls of Congress. Let's send this corporate pandering cowboy back to Texas to do what he's really good at....... clearing brush.Weekly weigh-in(Original publication: March 31, 2007)Since when do local citizens have "no authority" to criticize the country's leadership?A group of residents is lobbying the Nyack village board to join dozens of municipalities around the nation and adopt a resolution calling on Congress to impeach President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. Group members say the administration lied about pre-war intelligence in Iraq, violated the Geneva Conventions and U.S. laws on prisoner torture, and violated citizens' constitutional rights in various ways.Nyack Republican Party Chairman Joseph Brady-Amoon has said the village board has no authority on the matter.We beg to differ. While a village board can't institute impeachment hearings, it most certainly can call for such action. The question is whether it should bother, not whether it can.The Rockland GOP committee chairman rightly acknowledges the group's right to protest, but points out residents should leave village officials to concentrate on village matters. Yet, if this is what village residents want their village board to do, isn't it then a village matter?Should the village board pass this? It depends what happens April 12, when the resolution will be a topic on the village board agenda. Would the resolution, along with the similar actions already taken in Vermont, Oregon, Utah and other states, be effective? Not a chance. But that doesn't mean the Nyack group can't ask its most local of representatives to make the move.
John Williams <JohnAlfie@...> wrote:Courtesy, Journal News :
NYACK - Some village residents who want President Bush and Vice
President Dick Cheney impeached aren't taking their protest to the
halls of Congress. They're going to Village Hall.
Members of the grass-roots movement in Nyack say that Bush and Cheney
lied about prewar intelligence in Iraq; illegally conducted
electronic surveillance and wiretapping; violated the Geneva
Convention and U.S. law by conspiring to torture prisoners; and
violated the constitutional rights of citizens by keeping them jailed
without any charges or opportunity to appear before a judge.
Organizers say they are frustrated with the current administration
and want local governments and the state Legislature to help them
lobby Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.
"I think the basic idea is that people are feeling frustrated and
don't know where to turn," said Daniel Strum, an organizer who is a
registered independent. "This is a movement that's been gaining
strength around the country."
If the village Board of Trustees adopted such a memorializing
resolution, it would join dozens of other municipalities in Vermont,
Oregon, Utah and other states that have taken or are considering
similar actions. The board is to discuss the matter April 12.
David Balsam, another leader with the local protest, said the Bush
administration has consistently abused its power and falsely used
information about weapons of mass destruction and the attacks of
Sept. 11, 2001, as a justification to invade Iraq.
The Nyack man said he was inspired by the writings of Elizabeth
Holtzman, a Democrat who sat on the House Judiciary Committee during
impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon. She has
argued for President Bush's impeachment on the grounds that his
administration committed high crimes and misdemeanors, the standard
for removal, and that the administration falsely argued it was in the
interest of national security.
"It's really about constitutional accountability for all presidents
and elected officials," Balsam, a registered Democrat, said
recently. "I am completely flipped out that checks and balances
aren't working anymore."
The draft resolution, which Balsam said was modeled after similar
ones nationwide - including one in Trumansburg, N.Y. - said that Bush
and Cheney "conspired with others to defraud the United States"
by "intentionally misleading Congress and the public regarding the
threat from Iraq."
Calls to the White House press office were not returned.
Rockland Republican Committee Chairman Vincent Reda said the group
had the right to protest but was "barking up the wrong tree."
Reda said there were no grounds for impeachment, and that residents
should take their concerns to Congress rather than the village board.
He also said Nyack officials should concentrate on important local
"They don't have the clout. They're spinning their wheels," Reda said
of the board's ability to help start congressional hearings. "The
village of Nyack should clean their own home before cleaning
others'. ... There are a multitude of problems there."
Furthermore, Reda said, it was important for protesters to support
the troops who are fighting in Iraq and overseas. "Maybe they should
build a memorial," he said.
Mayor John Shields said he supported the concept because it could
send an important message to elected officials, but he wasn't sure
whether he'd vote for the resolution.
"I think there are a lot of reasons for impeachment. The question
is, 'Should it be done?' " said Shields, a Democrat. "My view is a
little longer range. We're really talking about constitutional issues
and the establishment of an imperial presidency. ... There are a lot
of people who are frustrated and don't know what else to do."
Joseph Brady-Amoon, chairman of the Nyack Republican Party, said the
president has not acted against national interests and that the
village board has no authority in the matter.
Brady-Amoon said the board should focus on more pressing village
problems like parking, crime, drug prevention, drainage and securing
state and federal dollars for local projects.
"Hopefully, the village board would have the wisdom not to engage in
an ineffective and impotent protestation in something they have no
jurisdiction in," Brady-Amoon said. "If they actually had some kind
of facts, the appropriate place is the Congress. ... They're wasting
taxpayers' money even talking about it."
Trustee Richard Kavesh, a Democrat, said the board could balance
local concerns effectively with broader national or regional ones.
"Talking about this doesn't detract us from other direct village
business," he said.
Though Kavesh viewed Bush as one of the most reckless, dangerous and
arrogant presidents in history, he said it wasn't the right thing to
do because House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has said she would
not initiate such hearings.
"Do I really want Americans to go after a full impeachment process
when the guy has 700 days?" Kavesh said. "This isn't going anywhere
Kavesh also feared that impeachment efforts would hurt the Democratic
presidential candidates in 2008 because many voters might perceive
the actions as political payback.
"I think voters have sent the message to George Bush that they're fed
up," he said.
Organizers say it is a local matter because Rocklanders are helping
pay for the war, which is in the hundreds of billions of dollars,
according to Congressional Budget Office figures.
They also say it's not about politics but about the law.
"I think it's about accountability in government," Balsam said. "If
it was a Democrat that committed these abuses, I'd be just as
motivated. ... I'm doing this for very pure reasons. I'm not doing
this for political reasons."
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