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683Re: [Nietzsche_and_Philosophy] Re: Nietzsche - 'On the Use and Abuse of History for Life'

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  • Moody Lawless
    Jul 4, 2008
      In the essay Nietzsche takes a different view.
      He says that too much historiology is detrimental to Life.

      He opines that when we act we can only do so effectively if we 'forget'.

      If we were to consider the historical aspects of everything we undertook we would actually do very little.

      Furthermore, if we concern ourselves with histories other than our own we will suffer a "weakened personality."

      Only by severely restricting our historical perspective and by 'forgetting' while acting can we be effective agents in the world.

      The main paradox is that we need a sense of history to be human, but that very historical sense can destroy us.

      He says in the essay that there are three types of historiography:
      Monumental, Antiquarian and Critical. All have positive and negative aspects.

      He [much] later develops Critical history into his 'genealogy of morality', to which you refer.

      Of course, Nietzsche's attack on historicism in that early essay led to a deconstruction of history in the 20th century, where the kinds of positions that you assert in your meditation become untenable.
       

      --- On Thu, 3/7/08, Albert DeLucien <hurlyburly21grams@...> wrote:


      I havn't read the essay. But i distinctly remember Nietzsche stressing
      the point that moralists and psychologists lack the "historical" sense.
      This is indeed useful, for in knowing how a thing evolved and developed,
      the better to understand it, and the possibility of putting it to
      greater use, or dis-use.

      I might offer a meditation practice i am developing. That is
      contemplating on the history of objects, especially thoose of value,
      whether they are psychological or material. The point is in
      understanding my value of that thing, and therby modifiying it,
      consequently heightening ones morality. Mind you, it is still in it's
      theoretical stage, but i believe historically familiarizing theese
      objects of value, as they have appeard throughout my life, will aid in a
      greater value, or disvalueing of them. In short, and what is hoped: a
      re-evaluation of all values.

      -Al

      --- In Nietzsche_and_ Philosophy@ yahoogroups. com, "TARIK ÖZKANLI"
      <tozkanli2023@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > I agree with N.
      > I think the relation between the present and the past and the future
      is
      > illisory and
      > ruins are stones at best.
      >
      > Every moment are free form every other moment.
      > The relation we feel is illisory.
      >
      > The viscous circle principle N set is highly strong framework for
      anyone who
      > have a problem with time (If you think such a phenomen exists.If you
      do N
      > gives a cure for you if not that is more powerfull and closer to the
      Higher
      > man :) ).
      >
      > The likeliness of every "power-equilibrium- configuration" is the same.
      >
      > There are infinite "complete" cycles and every cycle happens
      infinitely many
      > times. Means you will (had) have the same arm form anatomically and
      frog
      > legs in some cycle :)
      >
      > Of course terms and ideas are contradictory but all we know that power
      is
      > contadictory.
      >
      > But do not ask me if this infinite is countably infinite or
      uncountably
      > infinite. N does not care modern mathematical stuff.
      >
      > :)
      >
      > Have cheer, fun and power.
      >
      > 2008/6/9 Ana Drobot anadrobot@.. .:
      >
      > > Too much preoccupation with history is not healthy for the human
      being,
      > > Nietzsche seems to claim.
      > > What do you think?
      > >
      > > The text is here, online:
      > >
      http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/ On_the_Use_ and_Abuse_ of_History_ for_Life
      > >
      > > Enjoy!
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >

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