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Re: Third Party Focus

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  • Eric Reinhardt
    Although I believe in thinking big along the lines of a Convention, (which I believe is doable owing to the fact that I make it very worthwhile $$$ to the
    Message 1 of 80 , Apr 4, 2006
      Although I believe in thinking big along the lines of a Convention,
      (which I believe is doable owing to the fact that I make it very
      worthwhile $$$ to the states vis a vis my amendment proposals), what
      you are talking about is also important Tony. In fact there is a
      growing movment afoot in this country to create Liberty districts.
      This is also an idea I have put forth some time back. Every state in
      the country has a number of low population counties. If you move
      enough people en masse to those counties with the idea of gaining
      voting majorities, then you can hope to have some meaningful reform.
      Many of these counties by the way are not isolated and are within
      driving distance of major metropolitan areas. The idea is to
      establish residency so as to be able to vote. I believe this is an
      idea that would be very appealing to many third party proponents.
      When you control real estate, you control your destiny.



      --- In
      NationalConstitutionalConvention06@yahoogroups.com, "tonyfred2001"
      <tonyfred2001@...> wrote:
      >
      > Challenging the Federal government anytime soon is not a realistic
      > goal, short of a massive shift in voter sentiment. Presently,
      > increasing ties to and dependencies upon the feds by states and
      > individuals continue to pacify the electorate ... and, it is
      > afterall a big system to confront.
      >
      > How will the citizenry respond if and when it becomes unavoidably
      > obvious that America is not anything LIKE the free country it's
      been
      > pretending to be? Will they THEN decide to organize, perhaps
      having
      > to resort to firing their illegally unregistered weapons in
      > defense? And if so, from where ... scattered neighborhoods across
      > the land?
      >
      > Violence is not the solution, and it doesn't have to come to that
      if
      > we begin now to change that which we CAN change -- our personal
      > situations. Gather together somewhere, forming a comfortable
      > political zone ... say, in an old small town. From the strength
      of
      > that location, export the idea that it's OK to be a mosaic and not
      > necessarily a melting pot. Instead of allowing ourselves to be
      > nationalize and homogenized into some PC vision of the American
      > Dream, we should begin living lives that encourage a trend of
      local
      > diversity ... and resistance to centralized government.
      >
      > The framework is already in place! We just need to begin thinking
      > and organizing more as separatists. Inspiring a populist wave of
      > local diversity, promoting and flaunting our differences ... much
      > like how Chambers of Commerce identify their areas as unique and
      > desirable!
      >
      > Encourage states, counties, or cities to brand their own flavor of
      > liberty ... whatever it may be ... establishing liberated zones
      that
      > are recognized, tolerated and celebrated. A way and even the
      > precedend already exists, we just need to make it the popular
      > patriotic solution!
      >
      > --- In NationalConstitutionalConvention06@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph
      > T. Adams" <joe@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 02:21:04PM -0400, Wilmar wrote in part:
      > >
      > > > However, educating those that think this status quo is
      legitimate
      > > > and the system is not broken should also be in the focus tool
      > box.
      > >
      > > I absolutely agree.
      > >
      > > The question is, how?
      > >
      > > It isn't just that most people don't know that the current Mafia-
      > like
      > > gang of murdering thugs calling themselves "the government" is
      > > completely and totally unconstitutional and thus illegitimate.
      > >
      > > In my experience, most of them don't care.
      > >
      > > They think that having the opportunity to vote (for
      > fascist/socialist
      > > A as opposed to fascist/socialist B) makes them "free," having a
      > > bloated stomach and slightly better than third-world standard of
      > > living makes them "prosperous," and having to spend 3 hours being
      > > strip-searched in the airport to catch a 2-hour flight makes them
      > > "secure."
      > >
      > > I've been forced to conclude that having a Mafia-like gang of
      > > murdering thugs pretending to be a "government" is perfectly OK
      > with
      > > most Americans, as long as they delude themselves to the point of
      > > believing that they are not the ones being robbed, enslaved, and
      > > threatened with death.
      > >
      > > And they *are* this deluded, and more.
      > >
      > > How on earth do we fix this?
      > >
      > >
      > > Joe
      > >
      >
    • dennis helbig
      It would take some mighty big testicles to say that there is something wrong with the system at that level. The only ones that would be willing are those that
      Message 80 of 80 , Apr 12, 2006
        It would take some mighty big testicles to say that there is something
        wrong with the system at that level. The only ones that would be
        willing are those that are a sure loser in the next race.


        --- In NationalConstitutionalConvention06@yahoogroups.com, "Eric
        Reinhardt" <ericreinhardt2003@...> wrote:
        >
        > In my efforts to promote a ConCon it has been my discovery that many
        > legislators were not even aware of the provision in Article V
        > empowering them to go about reforms. And the reality is also that
        > many who sit in state legislatures are not leaders, but followers.
        > To bring about a ConCon it is going to take legislators to "step up"
        > and who are not afraid to lead. They exist and need to be sought
        > after. As per a "runaway convention", the requirement that 3/4 of the
        > state legislatures must approve any amendment coming out of a
        > Convention pretty much guarantees that you will not have any truly
        > detrimental and/or anarchistic measures being passed. The process of
        > the Convention is really not complicated and very simple if you read
        > Article V. I believe the Founders seriously erred though by
        > involving Congress in the formal calling and in stipulating how the
        > states vote on the amendments--either by state Convention or state
        > legislature. They should have left Congress out of it altogether in
        > the ConCon method of amendment approval. However, if the states are
        > unified in a common theme such as Returning Power to the States and
        > vote to have one, I believe a Convention will occur irregardless of
        > Congress giving its blessing or not.
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In NationalConstitutionalConvention06@yahoogroups.com, "Wilmar"
        > <vze585gn@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Good point Eric. There is, however, the provision in this Article
        > V 1 which actually keeps the amendment process out of Congress (and
        > off the Presidents desk.) It may not be the entire Constitutional
        > change some are seeking but it at least allows for the voice of the
        > people, through their local State legislatures, to have the input
        > without the Congess or the King denying same.
        > >
        > > It is my understanding that the States provision has been
        > sidestepped, specifically in regards to Amendment 17, where Congress
        > refused to aquiecse to the States. The fear here, for any future
        > amendments, would be/is the potential for the runaway Con-Con, much
        > like the demise of the Articles of Confederation. States have little
        > understadning of how the process works. Big pressure from the people
        > has proven effective but I still think the public cannot connect the
        > dots to what government is doing and thus it, the public, see
        > no "back yard" connection. Bad air, bad food, bad water, no personal
        > firearms, no local input to government, no border control, REAL ID
        > chips, these are huge issues that the massive government has control
        > but the Janes and Joes see no need to lend their personal influence
        > even though these do indeed touch their own lives.
        > >
        > > Returning to a legitimate Constitutional Republic is the first key
        > to changing things and local pressure to your legislatures is the
        > first step to that end as we seem to agree. Getting the glazed over
        > eyes of your neighbors to realize this is obviously not impossible,
        > but certainly difficult. Thus the price of Freedom is indeed eternal
        > vigilance, nez-pas?
        > >
        > > Willy
        > > America First
        > > William J Cowie
        > > INDEPENDENT
        > > for NH State Senate dist 1
        > > 1380 Stark Hwy
        > > Stark, NH, 03582-6221
        > > 603-636-6085
        > > http://cowiefornh.blogspot.com/
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Eric Reinhardt
        > > To: NationalConstitutionalConvention06@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:49 PM
        > > Subject: [NationalConstitutionalConvention06] Re: Third Party
        > Focus
        > >
        > >
        > > The nice thing about the Constitutional Convention process is
        > that
        > > it is the state legislatures that ultimately drive the process.
        > It is
        > > the state legislators(or some of them anyway), not the populace
        > that
        > > you have to ultimately convince . . . an easier task I believe.
        > The
        > > state legislators are the individuals who make a Convention
        > happen.
        > > The people clearly have a role, but not the DECIDING one.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In
        > NationalConstitutionalConvention06@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph
        > > T. Adams" <joe@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > I fully understand that most people do not support freedom and
        > > that we
        > > > have to work around them.
        > > >
        > > > The problem is that there currently is not enough "we" to
        > > accomplish
        > > > much.
        > > >
        > > > Many people who are not committed to liberty are not
        > necessarily
        > > > committed to tyranny either; they're just grossly uninformed.
        > > >
        > > > We'll never win all or even most of these people, but we
        > absolutely
        > > > have to win some, or this will go absolutely nowhere.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Joe
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 05:59:56AM -0700, Michael Bindner
        > wrote:
        > > > > I've never been in a three hour security line.
        > > > >
        > > > > Most people don't agree with you that the government is
        > full
        > > of thugs. They look at shows like Numb3rs and see committed FBI
        > > agents. They may not like the president, but they respect the
        > > presidency. They may not like the Congress, but they like their
        > > representative. When surveyed, they have little respect for the
        > > civil rights of their neighbors, so thank heaven the legislature
        > is
        > > not more responsive to them.
        > > > >
        > > > > I am not sure you have to smash their delusions, or
        > convince
        > > them of yours, to get them to line up behind change. In fact,
        > > trying to do so hasn't worked so far.
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Evil people rule when good people do nothing.
        > >
        > >
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