- All, I ve uploaded another album of photos on building C&S Locomotives. This set centers around my project of rebuilding an Overland No. 60 into 59, circaMessage 1 of 5 , Dec 29, 2008View SourceAll, I've uploaded another album of photos on building C&S
Locomotives. This set centers around my project of rebuilding an
Overland No. 60 into 59, circa 1909, of course. Two very prominant
components of number 60 are not suitable at all for 59. These are the
domes and the stack.
It is my theory (since I don't have documents to prove it) that the
aquisistion of the C&S by the CB&Q in Dec. 1908 ramped up the rr's
view of just how serious the problem of fires were after nine years
of that fabulous drafter, the Shotgun Stack, which had the dubious
side effect of regularly burning down farmer browns barn! Enter the
new Diamond Stack, an experiment in cinder control, in 1908. these
were fitted on 13, 30 and 59. Photos of these engines have frequently
thrown caption writers for a loop insofar as dates were concerned
because C&S engines came to the company with diamond type stacks and
generally they were all gone by 1905. So these funny engines with
early teen dates resisted rectification and we find volumes of miss-
dated photos published over and over. Only a close look at the
engines with Diamond stacks present evidence that the presence of
certain equipment precludes TOC dates applied to those photos. For
instance air activated sanding valves don't show up until 1910. Yet
Diamond stacks were gone, lo these past 5 years. How can this be?
Well it can.
My stack, which is unlike any commercially available (I looked!) is
made up of 5 to 6 parts (depending on how its lower coarse is
wrapped). Its design was committed on the computer by loading photos
into AutoCAD, scaling them properly and then drafting over the images
to creat both 2D and 3D drawings (virtual models). From there 3/16"
scale models were generated and drawings printed from the results.
The parts were then machined from these drawings.
The domes on the only B-4-C model available in Sn3 are worthless
except to no. 60. So with the exception of 58 in the late 30s if you
need the proper Rhode Island Loco Works fluted Domes for any of the
other 5 engines of the class - or even no. 60 prior to its late
configuration there is only one way to get them - make them yourself.
So I did. In the same process as that described for the Diamond stack
I generated drawings for each of the five parts of each type of dome.
With these I spent many fun hours creating all the domes I need plus
a few extra.
Also included in the photos are a couple of other parts I crank out
as needed. The first is that notorious Shotgun Stack. The second is a
polished aluminum headlamp reflector. For this item I ground a
special cutter into a parabolic curve for use on my lathe. Headlamps
using this reflector actually cast a faint beam.
Now, I'm not particularly interested in starting a parts business and
I have absolutely no interst in making any of these into patterns for
lost wax casting - c'mon, how many C&S modelers are there, really -
but if you absolutely have to have these parts we can talk. Keep in
mind they are each hand made so toss out any thoughts of Caboose
Hobbies discount prices. And don't wait until next year when I'm not
in that particular mode anymore.
- Derrell: Very nice--no wonder we haven t heard from you in a while. Is the diamond stack you modeled also known as a pancake or is that a different stack?Message 2 of 5 , Dec 30, 2008View SourceDerrell:
Very nice--no wonder we haven't heard from you in a while. Is the diamond stack you
modeled also known as a 'pancake' or is that a different stack?
Also, what happened to the Cimmaron website?
- Thanks Kieth, I do keep in touch with this site - its about the only one besides Brasslocobuilders group. But yes I ve been pretty busy. Up coming projectsMessage 3 of 5 , Dec 30, 2008View SourceThanks Kieth,
I do keep in touch with this site - its about the only one besides
Brasslocobuilders group. But yes I've been pretty busy. Up coming
projects include wooden pilots and revising the oddball smokebox front
on the model of 60. I also do the correct sized air tanks (24" Dia.) as
those on the models available are consistantly undersized and way too
modern for my use.
My first priority as far as members of this group is to encourage
anyone so inclined to get involved with metal work. We see the
onslaught of plastic continue to advance and a downturn of imported
brass models. Yet brass is still the very best material imo to build
locomotives from. It has weight, it's very workable and it will last
well beyond our lifetimes if it is cared for. Plus it is just so
doggone cool to take a piece of raw rod and turn it into something like
the domes! Great satisfaction! (I've always enjoyed cutting things...)
For anyone interested I get metals from Speedy Metals - look them up on
the web. Their prices are great and they will cut as little as 1 inch
for you. They have all kinds of metals including the 360 brass, Ledloy
quality grades of aluminum etc.
That being said I am willing to work with anyone who needs parts but
doesn't have the tools or the skills and that isn't limited to the C&S.
Someday I plan to build a Colorado Midland 2-8-0.
The stack is not a McConnell style. It is a full diamond that the RR
apparently frabricated in the momment. It looks a lot like a D&RG stack
however it seems to fall somewhere between a Rio Grande style and the
McConnell. The reason its not a Rio GRande is because the top coarse is
too shallow. In that regard it's a lot like a McConnell. The Reason
it's not a McConnell is because the bottom coarse is way too deep.
These are the reasons none of the commercial stacks that I know of
would work. And yes making a McConnell would be both doable and fun.
As to Cimarron, the Website is down most likely because of inactivity.
Vicki, our web-miester, has been ill and hasn't been able to properly
investigate the reason the site keeps going down. But that's her off
the cuff guess at it. We will get it back up soon.
--- In NWNG-Sn3Group@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Hayes" <keithhayes@...>
>diamond stack you
> Very nice--no wonder we haven't heard from you in a while. Is the
> modeled also known as a 'pancake' or is that a different stack?
> Also, what happened to the Cimmaron website?
- Any questions about ordering form Cimarron Works can be sent to firstname.lastname@example.org. Untill Vickie is back on her feet. Doug Junda [Non-text portions ofMessage 4 of 5 , Dec 30, 2008View SourceAny questions about ordering form Cimarron Works can be sent to info@.... Untill Vickie is back on her feet.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- The Cimarron Site should be back up. Vicki crawled out of bed and did it this morning... Y all can send flower to.... Derrell ... info@... Untill Vickie isMessage 5 of 5 , Dec 31, 2008View SourceThe Cimarron Site should be back up. Vicki crawled out of bed and did
it this morning...
Y'all can send flower to....
--- In NWNG-Sn3Group@yahoogroups.com, "doug junda" <djunda@...> wrote:
> Any questions about ordering form Cimarron Works can be sent to
info@... Untill Vickie is back on her feet.
> Doug Junda
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]