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2050Re: Re: [NGMMG] Death Valley RR hopper cars

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  • George Konrad
    Dec 2, 2013
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        I did neither. I cannot take any credit for this plan, as I got it by ????????????
      I have to admit I do not know, nor do I have any "wink of remembrance" as to where I got the drawing, nor who might have given it to me. I have to assume it was 1972+ as that is the year I switched from HO standard gauge to On3, and would have picked up anything narrow gauge.

      On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:59 PM, "bfornshell@..." <bfornshell@...> wrote:
      Hi George,
      Thanks for continuing your work on the drawing.
      Have a question about the source for your drawing, did you draw it from a photograph or from field notes?
      I am about to make version 3 of the model.  Version 2 turns out to be the Eureka Hill RR Steel Hopper Car which is just a bit different then the Death Valley RR Hopper.  The height of the DV Hopper part seems to be about 6" taller (prototype) then the Eureka --- Hopper car.  Also the ladder is on the end of the Eureka car vs the side on the DV Car. This is based on the drawing in the NGSL-G w/pictures of the Eureka and your drawing of the DV Car.
      Bill Fornshell
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      From: "George Konrad" <georgekonradmmr@...>
      Sent: Monday, December 2, 2013 7:10pm
      To: "NGMMG@yahoogroups.com" <NGMMG@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: Re: Re: [NGMMG] Death Valley RR hopper cars [1 Attachment]

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      DUH! Might help if I attached the attachment!

      On Monday, December 2, 2013 2:58 PM, George Konrad <georgekonradmmr@...> wrote:
      Hello again,
      I note that some of you are having a problem with the trucks on my scan. I have copied the plans, darker, and got "old creaky" to scan them once again, in the hopes that the truck images will come across better. If they do not, or are not clear enough to make a model-match possible, I have another solution. I will hie meself down to Staples, increase my drawing by 300% or so, and re-draw the lines on the truck plans and then scan and send the large, but now more useful truck plan.
      Knowing the wb of the trucks (4'6") one can re-copy that large, by now clear, image to any scale one needs.
      Let me know on this latest attempt, and don't feel reluctant to speak up and say "Not good enough!" if that is the case.

      On Sunday, December 1, 2013 8:08 PM, "bfornshell@..." <bfornshell@...> wrote:
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      Using the new information from Sam's article I have made version 2 of the Hopper Car.
      Version 2 is closer to what I think the DV Hopper Car would look like. I hope a picture shows up with better detail but for now this should be it.  Need to gather the necessary detail parts, make the chassis, find some trucks etc and see how it looks behind my On30 Heisler Engine.  If all looks good I expect I will make a few more in On30 and then a bunch in HOn3.
      Bill Fornshell
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      From: bfornshell@...
      Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:31pm
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      Hi Sam,
      Your article is in the July / August, 2002 issue.  Thanks for posting about your article.
      I just finished my first card stock mock-up in On30.  Now that I have your article I will make a couple adjustments and make version 2.
      I have attached 3 pictures of my first version.
      Bill Fornshell
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      From: tinticng@...
      Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:54pm
      To: NGMMG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: Re: [NGMMG] Death Valley RR hopper cars

      Hello George and all,
      My drawing of the K&J hoppers as sold to the Eureka Hill RR appeared in the May/June, 2002 issue of the Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette in an article by Stan Jennings on the history of Eureka Hill Shay #1.
      I developed the drawing using the K&J proposal to Pacific Coast Borax for hopper cars to be used on the DVRy.  I also found a blueprint from a proposal to the Empire Copper Co. for a 20 ton hopper of a slightly different design.
      Also, there is a catalog from K&J that includes an engraving and basic dimensions of the Eureka Hill cars.
      There are a few differences between the DV and EH cars, the major ones deal with the ICC mandated safety appliances on the DV cars,  and the placement of the brake cylinders.
      Supposedly there is a pair of K&J trucks at the Laws museum.
      Sam Bass

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