Friday, February 15, 2002
- ***************************SU GANDOLFSubway storyTwo women standing, facing each other, at the bottom of a staircase
full of comuters rushing up and down on either side. The air between
them is "charged" with listening. One of them says:
"It wasn't a bad dream or a good dream. It was just a dream..."DAN BERKOWnow:
are" and leave it at that -- logic chopping is really wasted on> I'll say "silence is the choicelessness of the awareness we
> thelikes of me...
Speaking to define silence ...
did silence hear what you said about it?
No one's chopping at you --
no need to waste any more of your
logic defending against logic :-)
coming> The subject transcends logic, but all I see Dan doing is
> at the unapproachable from multiple approaches. You areboth
> saying the same thing, and I think he would agree. It'sDan's
> custom to present alternative presentations that are inaccord
> with his understanding, and as infuriating as that can befor
> me, he has always been correct.Hey, really -- I infuriated you, Jody?
Thanks for the compliment, I know
that's not easy!
When you say, 'he's always been correct,'
I read that as, 'he communicated
-- DanHURG"Do not pretend that you love others as yourself. Unless you have
realized them as one with yourself, you cannot love them. Don't
pretend to be what you are not, don't refuse to be what you are.
Your love of others is the result of Self-knowledge, not its cause.
Without Self-realization, no virtue is geniune. When you know
beyond all doubting that the same life flows through all that is and
you are that life, you will love all naturally and sponataneously.
When you realize the dept and fullness of your love of yourself,
you know that every living being and the entire universe are
included in your affection. But when you look at anything
as separate from you, you cannot love it for you are afraid of it.
Alienation causes fear and fear deepens alienation. It is a
vicious circle. Only self-realization can break it.
Go for it resolutely."
- Nisargadatta Maharaj
"I am That"
There may be no "thing" as enlightenment, as some say, but there
is quite definitely an understanding possible whereby when we
use the word, we can know what the hell we're referring to.
My mother is not enlightened. She's a nice person, saintly. But
she has no clue as to it's ordinary definition, let alone it's
"more enlightened" definition, let alone, let alone, let alone.
One very operational definition of Enlightenment, is that one
knows they know nothing - in an objective sense. They don't just
give lip service to it, they understand at a deeply personal
level that they Know Nothing. All others (who are not
"enlightened") believe they know everything - just ask them if
you don't believe me.
But, Knowing Nothing, does not mean one is a blubbering idiot,
like a child with no language or education. Hardly. Complete
understanding at this level, is possible. That's another
definition of Enlightenment.
Two definitions which are superficially in opposition - right?
Consider the operations of the mind, that now has these two
quite workable definitions floating around, "competing" with
each other. Now what is going to happen?
Is one of them Enlightened? Are both?
Now consider my previous Question (about fighting over ideas),
and instead of the typical, "irrelevant!", or "ridiculous!", or
whatever causes YOUR mind to dismiss the subject entirely, try
to THINK about it further.
-------------Heidi, the Ho (there, there, calm yourself)MARK HOVILADear Friends,
I am putting together a proposal for a Public Access TV show here in
Seattle. I don't intend, at least for now, to produce my own shows, but I
would like to begin by broadcasting videos of talks by spiritual teachers in
the nondual tradition.
Besides needing videos, I also need written permission from the copyright
owners of the videos. If anyone can loan me tapes to broadcast, please
contact me. And if you are the copyright owner, or can put me in touch with
the copyright owner, that would also be very much appreciated.
I am facing a deadline (Feb. 27) for getting this proposal in. Thanks.