Croissants, not donuts, same idea
Here's a poem I read recently and liked. It follows on the baked goods
theme we've had here on NDS lately:
Early in the morning
lovely summer day,
As they lowered the bright awning
At the outdoor
I was breakfasting on croissants,
and cafe au lait
Rue Francois Premier.
They were hosing the hot
With a dash of flashing spray
And a smell of summer
When the dust is drenched away.
Under greenery like
Rue Fancois Premier,
I was twenty and a lover
And in Paradise
Very early in the morning
Of a lovely summer day.
Croissants, not donuts, same idea
Great, man! What a scene that's painted. It shows, you can say the
ordinary stuff -- "Early in the morning/Of a lovely summer day" -- and
few little things to it with rhyme and images, and blow peoples minds
It's so effortless.
I was in Chapters book store last night. In
case anyone doesn't know, it's
one of those huge bookstores with comfortable
chairs you can sit in and read.
There's a Starbucks inside the store. You get
the picture. I really don't
care for it because you can only get one of
kerouac's titles (On The Road)
and shelf after shelf of Stephen King. You get
the picture. It's just popular
So they have a huge
magazine rack. And I'm waiting for my friend to use the
restroom. So in the
last rack in back they have three or four token Canadian
I pick one up and read someone's poem. Then I look up and
look at the
thousands of splashy popular magazines. My feeling was that in
one word of
this obscure person's poetry there's more feeling and soul than
in all the
splashy magazines put together, because I had the opportunity to
with a human being instead of a corporate/lifestyle image.
that, starbucks does have damn good coffee and sweets, but you
know what i'm
Jerry - That's it. Exactly.
Like, I was sitting at my little writing
table by the window, looking out
at the street, yesterday morning. I wrote a
lot of words but these are the
words that had the most presence:
That girl walking by
With the big white
i'm gonna fight you for her, David. i really dig that chick, okay?
I'm always thinking of that Great Nonduality Book, and that's the
of stuff that needs to be brought together. somehow melded with
nondual rap given in standard and non-standard ways. Maybe I should
print out all the stuff i just plain like a lot and then see how it
fits together. Make it a bundle of joy rather than bundle of text
'ought' to be included. I know it's not realistic from a business
of view, but that's too bad, I guess.
And then there's this
situation given by Aziz, quoted here, where he
says only certain people
should come forth to teach. I don't buy that. I
re-wrote one of my earlier
pieces and put it on my live journal:
It speaks of the multitudes
coming forth to teach.
as far as that
book... one of these days, one of these days...
JAMES & JERRY
> NonDuality means 'not
two' AND 'All is
> The very word
NonDuality obviously refers to two and it says
> that that which appears
as two, which means separate, is not separate.
> It avoids making a
concluding statement and through negation it
> reveals that 'not two' AND
'All is One' are ***different forms of the
> same thing*** that *appear*
to be separate.
also states the obvious - it says that which appears
> as two, separate,
is One - they are different forms of the same
> Thus, NonDuality and
OneDuality are different ways to express
> the same thing. By themselves
each is incomplete, unreal. United in
> their quiddity, they represent
Reality-Unreality, the Whole, which is
> greater than the sum of the
This makes sense to
me. I know we share common ground, so I want to see what
I'm really saying
when I speak of nonduality and oneness being different.
When I speak about
oneness differing from nonduality, I'm referring to
oneness as a verb, a
coming together of energies that appeared to be
separate, a oneness
experience. In that sense, nonduality, as I see it, isn't
about the mystical
experience of unity with God. Because there never was any
is not brought about in any way, there isn't oneness
'with' anything; oneness
is what is. Is this close to what you're saying?
Valerie & Friends,
Dear Valerie. When I started out as a
teenager reading Beat/Buddhism,
I was deeply moved by the lack of dogma (and
celestial topography) in
what Suzuki gave me to understand was Zen Buddhism.
Since then, I've
read pretty extensively in all the major religions
(assuming that you
will accept the old testament as basic Judaism).
enough, one of the things that they all have in common is the
in alternate lokas or realms, that is to say, heavens, pergatories
and hells. Buddhism, contrary to my 1st uninformed understanding, is
right up their with all the rest.
Where is your friend, Richard? You
have portrayed for us a secular
kind of holy man, as Glo and others have
pointed out. Does it seem
logical to you that a man who gave so much of
himself to reenforce
the 2nd overarching commandment of all religions,
"treat others as
would have them treat you", isn't being well cared for in
yours in the bonds,
Buddhism may be up here with the rest, but that doesn't mean Buddha
propagated such stuff. It's the people who came after who did that, or the ones
where Buddhism migrated and adapted to the existing local religion. The reason
Zen managed to stay so clear of these accretions was that it represents Buddhism
merged with Taoism, itself a relatively bullshit-free zone.
speculate that other religions have meandered far from the vision of their
"founders," and adopted all kinds of silly superstitions. That these
superstitions occur in all the major religions may say less about their truth
than about the ability of the conditioned and socially reinforced mind to
Interesting variations do occur though. The esoteric
streams of most religions understand a bit more how irrelevant some of these
stories are but can also get into their own stratospheres of mumbo-jumbo.
Hinduism may be the most interesting, as it also sports an overt advaita stream
which can accept the whole panoply of practices yet keep to a pure,
sophisticated non-dual understanding.
> Is Jerry's original vision for NDS what is happening here?
not, is the deviation desirable, or is it fatal to the
> purpose of this
> Because a list 'is communication', the issue of
communication is IMO, always topical, as a constant
> issue, at a level
below the stated topic of the list.
> And I think this what Jerry was
addressing in his post.
> ==Gene Poole==
Hi Gene and
Questions of 'peerdom and putative protocols' (say that 6 times
have been addressed as needed. Well, peerdom has never been
addressed. It's defined by those who come along and stick out like
sore thumb. In fact Tom Thumb himself tried to join. Not that
better than those who stick out. We're just ... better.
point in the history of this list, we see where the original
vision has been
achieved. We sought to hear out all who wished to speak
the nondual rap in
their unique way. We let them speak and we did so
ourselves. We foresaw the
establishment of so many 'nonduality' lists
that no one would be able to keep
up with them (truly unimaginable 3 or
4 years ago), and that happened.
Right now I don't see the community of lists trending anywhere.
no demand for the free-for-all we had here. This is a time of
down, people exploring the various offerings, and seeing what
NDS is part of that settling and it's fine.
I still see an
increase in the number of in-person retreats and get
togethers. I see NDS
doing a strange thing. It's like NDS has no
teaching and no leader/teacher
who people look to for 'the teaching'. I
might be a leader in an
administrative way. People don't look to me for
'the teaching'. There's no
Andrew Cohen type leader of this group. It's
just us chickens. There are many
leaders, followers, teachers, students.
Everyone can fill all those roles.
With no leadership and no teaching,
we are still something. There's still
something wordless that's
Being 'almost nothing' makes
all the sense in the world. Afterall. The
less we are, the more we are what
we are. I once had a white calendar
with a white circle on it. We're the
white circle, barely noticeable,
I predict that this is
the future great world religion. I really mean
it. Imagine a being from
another world visiting our world with this new
religion. These beings would
know there was something going on
spiritually, but they would never find it
in a book, a temple, a ritual.
The purity sounds so good.
imagine, me, a guy who starts a new world religion. I better
references to eating donuts with mention of sweet milk,
honey, fine oils,
golden grains. Wait a minute. Those are the