- ***************** GENE & RASHMI NDS Hello Rashmi... You asked ... Yes. Knowledge is not necessary. Beliefs can also be expectations; every expectation can beMessage 1 of 1 , Dec 18, 2001View Source*****************GENE & RASHMINDS
> > Gene
> > Does the caterpillar know of the utter transformation?Probably
> > not; but in that caterpillar, lives the butterfly. Theearly form
> > will 'die', giving everything to the later form.transformation. does this mean
>caterpillar does not know of the utter
>that we do not have to know anything to betrans-formed?
Yes. Knowledge is not necessary. Beliefs can also be expectations;
every expectation can be an obstacle.
For most of us, it is 'too late', having been submerged in a vat
of opinion, opinion disguised as 'fact'. Having this handicap, it is
best to refine what knowledge we think we have, by means of
removing expectations, which are also the root of resentment.
I can say that it is 'better to observe, than to conclude'.
>we areWe can know it. But it is not necessary to know it. Nor does knowing it
>already that but do not know it.
convey any particular virtue.
>so between the caterpillar andthe
>butterfly- that time phase, do we have to accept our notknowing,
>just living and accepting each moment with or withoutgratitude.it is
>said we are timeless, so how does timelessness come intothis?
To abide, is to eventually let go of time.
Generally, we incorporate time as an important part of our
many strategies; if we abide, we are not compounding
strategies. If we do not compound strategies, it is possible
to release our attachment to our favorite version of time.
>i gotdifference between a
>the point when you mentioned that there was no
>boy and grown up man. the boy became man on his own,there was just a
>shift. so it is something natural. so naturally we shallbecome
>it.but we do not accept this fact. we want to be that here andnow.
>why?Could it be a combination of expectation and impatience, as
stimulated by the experience of suffering, known as frustration?
>but also why do we have to rely on time.accepting thefact that
>we shall become that in the near future is relying on time. butwe
>are told that we are already that now.so why do we likethe
>catterpillar just have to wait to be transformed?As I pointed out, the butterfly (later form) lives inside the caterpillar
(first form). Inside of you, lives the one which you will become.
If you 'exercise' your current form, if you use it constantly to
meet goals which are embedded in expectation, that is the one
you are Being. It is like, trying to drop a habit, while continuing it.
If you allow your current form to complete its 'mission'
with as little resistance as possible, your inner Being will
have room to grow, and soon, you will find yourself
Another way of saying, is that all of our expectations, beliefs,
habits, frustrations, and resentments, all of our attachments,
are the 'cocoon' which we are now so carefully encasing ourselves in.
We think we are protecting ourselves, but our close
attachments stifle and suffocate us. The more we
feel threatened (vulnerable), the more intensely
The way out of the encasement of attachment, is to eat
the web we have woven, to accept it into ourselves, and
to learn to enjoy every bizarre bite. It is good to cultivate
a sense of irony, as a spice to counteract the bitterness
of the taste of our own errors.
"Live and learn".
>tell me to wait but you say that you are that here and now. doesit
>mean that there is no difference between knowing and not knowing?we
>are that and that's it.That is it, essentially. Please understand that our awareness
is able to grow in ability to penetrate and "know". Rumi and Hafiz
give examples of becoming aware of this gradual opening, which
at some point can look like a sudden opening.
In abiding, we do not have the pain of frustration, for
we are not attempting to 'do'. Without the habit of
berating ourselves, we are able to enjoy. In enjoying,
we are able to drop our ineffectual baggage of
The most important thing, is to have
compassion for yourself.
==Gene Poole==JAN B.On 12/16/01 at 8:15 PM gaurav goel wrote:
'everything is God' is not to be grasped intellectually. it is a state of mind which one develops in due course of time by the grace of God. one needs to love him and he fulfills with his vision. afterall, heart is the gateway to mind.
om.Dear Sir,Whatever develops, will in its turn decline, whether a state of mind or the Indus valleycivilization. As everything is God, that process of change form one state into anotheris God too. Hence, states of mind are as indicative as states in politics: the illusion ofborders where there are none but when such (invisible) distinctions are made, that is a recipefor suffering as also evidenced by recorded history. "God's Grace" more than often is translatedinto "i have it my way" which but hammers more nails into the coffins of pain called"human bodies". As God is everything, drawing such borders on opinion and proclaimingits exclusive correctness as "God's will or vision" is another recipe for suffering which of courseis God too (called karma) and when that is "enough", "God's Grace" consists of giving up reistance(to have things "my way") which is unconditional surrender. When sensitive (caring) and intelligent,that happens spontaneously in youth or even early childhood.JanRASHMIThanks Gene. i get it.
row row row your boat
gently down the stream
merrily merrily merrily merrily
life is but a dream (from the magazine i read yest. ofcourse i do
now one last question. if i've understood whatever you've said i
shouldn't be asking it but i'd like to know this stuff called
resentment or jealousy. that's the thing i'm going through...you know
it_i do not. you can phrase your sentences better- i cannot.it haunts
each moment_ why did he have that experience and i did not. i
understand it all is happening but why do i feel this seperation on
these points. if i see a beggar on the road i can feel or even
exchange my life for his pain but certain points i cannot.i can
exchange myself for the negative things of life but to see someone
more superior to me_it's difficult.
Rashmi, There are two versions of my answer to you.
This one is the first version. I will send the second
If you watch a passenger train enter a tunnel,
you probably expect that it will come out the other end
of the tunnel.
When we are hurt and shocked by the behaviour of
a person with whom we are intimate, it is a special
kind of hurt, a more intense hurt. It tends to hurt the
heart, because we store in our heart, everything from
our intimate friends and lovers.
Sometimes this hurt is so bad, and the reasons for the
hurt are so unacceptable, that we cannot fully accept
the hurt. But what is really going on, is that the hurt
which has come in, is not being allowed to go all the
way through. The hurt stays in the heart, but this is
clearly not a condition which we welcome.
Hurt is transformed into jealousy and resentment,
in an attempt to get it out of the heart. And the way
that this is usually done, is to throw the hurt right back
to the person who has hurt you.
This is only possible if there is resentment, which
can also be read to be 're-send-ment', or the
'sending-back' of what is unacceptable and hurtful.
We are taught to behave in this way, by our elders,
most of whom have not found the ways of wisdom,
especially the rare and valuable wisdom of the heart.
What chance do we have, to conduct ourselves in
a better way, than we have been taught? This is
an important question to ask yourself.
If we can allow the pain of the hurt to express
directly as pain, in exactly the same way as you
do when you painfully stub your toe, or sprain
your ankle, you will be fine, and that will be the
end of it. The train has come out the other end
of the tunnel, so to speak.
As you know, it is socially disallowed to react to
certain kinds of hurt, as though the hurt is only
imaginary, and you are called a fool for reacting
to emotional pain in this way. This prohibition is
very unhealthy to live under. I suggest that you
allow yourself to cry and grieve, to let the pain
you feel find an outlet, so that it does not fester
and become ammunition with which to cause
pain to another person, as was caused to you.
Persons who behave foolishly, will have to find
out in their own way, and in their own time, the
lessons which will remedy their terrible foolishness.
It is cautioned, to avoid trying to salvage a
'relationship' which involves that you sacrifice
yourself to the terrible foolishness of someone
that you wish would love you and treat you
I think that the motto of Jesus Christ was this:
"The bullet of resentment stops here".
According to the stories, He did not pass his hurt
to others. He did not approve of 'an eye for an eye',
and instead advocated 'love others as you love
This is of value, only if you do love yourself.
How can you love yourself, if others do not love you?
This is the terrible trick, used for centuries, as a
means of controlling people. And the trick still works,
if you allow yourself to fall for that trick.
A better trick, is to simply love yourself. If that
is so, you cannot be controlled or tricked by others.
You can see, that those who foolishly hurt
you, do not love themselves. I advise to leave
their ranks, to love yourself and to have compassion
for yourself. If you have compassion for yourself,
allow yourself to pass the pain which has come
in, to go out as well, and not to pass it to another
person. This is a good thing. And it is one of the
lessons that those who are very foolish, seem
never to learn.
Others will not be hurt, if you love yourself.
==Gene Poole==JERRYThanks for the response, Gene.
If anyone wants to see what's been said about resentment on this list, just
go the jerrykatz search engine at <http://nonduality.com/search.htm> and
enter '+resentment +highlights' and you'll find some very interesting
responses. I think most of them are from Gene's writings! About 3000 hand
selected emails to this list are indexed by the search engine. There are
still about 4000 yet to be indexed.
We can certainly put together an article on Nonduality and Jealousy. The
search engine will allow us to easily compile the responses around a number
of subjects. I'm not saying it's a substitute for a live response, but it's
JerryDAN> honourable sir,
> 'everything is God' is not to be grasped intellectually.
The statement is a redundancy, utterly unnecessary.
Nothing is grasped intellectually, not even "intellect",
let alone "reality" ...
>it is a
state of mind which one develops in due course of time by the grace of
Nothing is apart, there is no "other" to be given grace.
States of mind are fictions based on the idea of someone
having experiences, entering and leaving states.
>one needs to love him and he fulfills with his vision. afterall,
heart is the gateway to mind.
What can be entered, can be left.
What cannot be entered nor left, has no gate.
Yum.GENEnews on Maurice SendakNDS
For the fans of this author, try this:
NPR has been doing a special on him. There is an interview to listen to, and who knows what else.
MATTHEWso why do we like the
> catterpillar just have to wait to be transformed? >
..............the catepillar does not just sit and wait. The
catepillar has to work his fucking ass off to get out of that fucking
cocoon. the difference with the catepillar is that he knows he is in
a cocoon and knows he has to get out to survive as the butterfly.
Humans are generally not aware of the cocoon they are in and believe
everything to be honky-dorey, thus make no effort to get out. Once,
however it is seen that cocoon life is our usual state and that if we
want to be Alive as butterflies we damn well have to find a way out
of the cocoon, then you gotta work your ass off to get out of the
cocoon just like the butterfly. If you think the cocoon will just
fall away all natural like, then you are doomed to life in the
cocoon.the buterfly will never appear.
..............matthewRASHMIwork my fucking ass off. how the fuck is that? when i get down to
observing someone says it could be a fucking addiction. when i stop
and just be you say work your fucking ass. when i think of
enlightenment someone says it's bullshit, just damn it and when i
stop thinking of it you say the cocoon will not fall off naturally
and i am doomed. doomed i am.