- GENE POOLEIn and out too fast to perceiveNDS
Only one person really knows how to play ping-pong
Or ride a horse
Or make tea
Only one person can appreciate how food tastes
Or perform mathematical computations correctly
Or read and understand this posting
Only one person at a time, actually
While all have the capacity
It travels between people
A fixed body of perceptions
Shared by all
In a rotational schedule
That is why there is always a champion
Always a loser
And always a chance
The same with 'enlightement'
Spread the word about the best tea
Spread the word about the most excellent enlightenment
Recognize the possibility
So that when it is your turn
You can have it for a moment
Publicize the possibility
Advertise the reality
Because as we know from experience
100 people can drink the best tea as a group
All appreciating the taste seemingly together
This points out the speed of the rotational schedule
So it is not a matter of having and possessing anything
It is a matter of being open to sharing what is
And that is enlightenment.
> Hi Danenlightenment exist?
> Are you saying does or does not
Can you be where you are before birth --
where existence and nonexistence don't apply?
The mind is always active until its basis is dissolved.
It will always be seeking to have something, whether
that be termed "enlightenment," a "powerful teacher",
"enough money to enjoy life", a "secure nation", etc., etc.
>qualitative change when one wakes up.
> In my experience there is a
> This has been demonstratedvery clearly here in London, UK where
> Dave Oshana dramatically changedover night. People on the satsang
> scene that knew him, before andafter, found the changes remarkable.
> Subsequently, similar conspicuouschanges have been noticed in both
> long-term and new seekers who havemet Dave - some within the first
> meeting.going on and it ain't real Scully!
> hellman x
"Until" its basis is dissolved. And "then"? (if you place it in time> The mind is always active until its basis is dissolved.
aren't you arguing for the existence of something (enlightenment, if
you will) that lasts?)
"its basis is dissolved"...Is its basis dissolved *by* something (the
mind suggests: effort, devotion, mind) or someone (myself, my
Are you just refusing to address the question of whether or not, for
example, Dave Oshana woke up, because that question is the mind
grasping for something (seeking to have something, in your words),
which grasping cannot ultimately be helpful?
>seeking to have something, whether
> It will always be
> that be termed"enlightenment," a "powerful teacher",
> "enough money toenjoy life", a "secure nation", etc., etc.
>What *good* is language, Dan? Really. Because it *is* good. When it
> -- Dan
is. Isn't it?
SuHARSHA from Harsha SatsanghWe are like candle lights
shining on each other
warming the air around us
and wherever the wind of change
placed our flame
we would not do anything different.
For those whom life has broken
who hear the unspoken truth
always from the Heart,
no choice but to love
Love to all
HarshaGARY MERRILL from his list Consciousness Is Allon the law of reversed effort
Here in Cornwall in the UK a couple of us are trying to get a group of interested
people (people interested in Non Duality, Advaita etc) to meet to
share understanding etc. There is actually not very many interested
people around, everyone has found a niche so to speak. Well the lady
who is to host our first meeting really wanted Tony Parsons to come
along but she's getting me instead as so called 'expert' by default!
So I'm thinking today what the hell are we going to talk about! In
doing so it becomes even more clearer that there really isn't anything
to put forward as being 'truth' or the 'solution'. On the contrary it
seems our solutions have become our problems our truth's our prisons
of belief. The best we can hope for then is perhaps to be made lighter
in our journey. To jettison the philosophies which were meant to be
solutions but were a fix which kept us in a fix.
The openness of such a light life could again be looked at like the
law of reversed effort. 'Without a solution is there a problem?' and
conversely 'the solution is the problem'. To paraphrase the Osho
quote, 'to be ordinary is to be enlightened', 'to try and be someone
special is to miss it' (ie very ordinary in one's dis-ease). To put
this one other way.. 'enlightenment is seen as a solution and
immediately then becomes the problem'.