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  • andrew macnab
    Today the editor is inspired to make the highlights nameless. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello. The Nonduality
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      Today the editor is inspired to make the highlights nameless.
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      Hello. The Nonduality Website has been updated. It reflects
      recent threads on the Nonduality Salon. Needless to say,
      there's more where that came from!

      http://www.nonduality.com/new.htm
      <a href="http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/new.htm">
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      Somebody famous wrote ..."Don't look at me, take what is
      in my hand." Who was that? Was it Jesus? Ha Ha. This is
      funny. I don't remember who said it.
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      You weren't sitting next to Pee Wee Herman at the time, were
      you?
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      Alice Bailey one day, Pee Wee Herman the next. Now why
      couldn't Kuthoomi have channeled his stuff through Pee Wee?
      Then that stuff would've been FUN to read.
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      it strikes me that, if grace provides a guru in the form best suited to
      the
      stuff i need to learn, that form might appear to be a bit off center.
      which
      would explain why i have learned so much from some of the most unlikely
      forms--not all of them human. it could be that a "teacher" is abusing
      power-- that is a lesson in itself. could it be that what's-her-face
      "survives" in order that atrocities born from words such as hers do not
      happen again? or that the shenanigan's of others finally drive us to
      the
      point of true self/guru: silence and stillness of mind?

      to me the paradox is that the truly non-dual teacher won't call himself
      teacher, guru or whatever. that implies duality because of the
      teacher/student thing.
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      I despair, after all the years of studying to realise
      the
      underlying harmony of life and still here we are *favoring*
      one concept over another, one person over another and
      blocking Love. Were's the freedom in it, calling
      one person paranoid or another a white supremacists, right
      or wrong and on and on.... Do we not gather together here to
      look
      behind all that?. Why cant we see how much it
      keeps us from the real work of bridging the illusory gap
      between each other and our universe.


      Whats the point in sending in high fallootin' quotes from
      our favorite Gurus or sweet words during rare moments of
      insight and then continuing the dirty dance of the human
      condition as usual. How can this be? Do we go through a
      schizophrenic crisis before we drop all this ignorance? Why
      do we spend so much energy discussing, what we do not seem
      to have the energy to live. Have you noticed how active the
      list is at the
      slightest hint of controversy and how quiet we are when at
      peace? It makes me wonder whether we really
      serious about dissolving the illusory gaps here or prefering
      to continue the deadly dangerous game, that the human
      condition has become. Sure I love our human naughtyness ,
      but when it
      starts hurting then we are sick again.
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      Do we go through a
      >schizophrenic crisis before we drop all this ignorance?


      Melody:

      I would say, yes, we do. At least I do.

      Someone used the term 'harmony thru conflict' the
      other day. I'm not sure what that means exactly,
      but it felt right to me.

      I see it much like us having 2 natures: a God nature,
      and a human nature.

      And what we experience as we begin awakening to
      our God nature are those spaces of 'incompatibility'
      between the two.

      I see it as simply a matter of evolution that man
      will move from operating in a realm of human nature
      (duality) to that of God nature (nonduality).

      The value of these lists, for me, is not only
      listening to the music of our God nature (thru
      quotes from our beloved masters, or from moments
      of inspiration), but also for the opportunities
      to recognize all those spaces within us where we
      are holding onto (attaching) to our human nature.

      Conflict is nothing more than our attachments
      (and shadows, fears) from our human nature being
      projected outwardly for us to examine. I think
      that's why you see so many postings in times of conflict. And that's
      why,
      to me, conflict is not
      'bad'.

      It's a natural and quite effective process for
      the spiraling of human consciousness, both
      individually and collectively.
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      In my effort to gather together nondual
      realizers and confessors, I'm bringing attention to a
      diverse population of people who speak sincerely from a
      nondual perspective, for what it's worth.
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      If a teacher can't teach in Silence, reading his/her
      publications will do just as well :)
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      I just thought of something funny that George Carlin said,
      He said , "If you guys (speaking of mankind) ever do get it all
      figured out and the world is at peace, let it be known that I
      still don't want to be a part of it." :-)
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      I can see now my disappointments are always an
      attachment to 'my' need to see 'my' vision manifest 'my' way
      NOW :-). Sometimes its so hard to see the suffering going on
      knowing the attachment to beliefs that have caused it, but
      to have to
      allow each and everyone to learn their lessons in their own
      special way and time, myself included.
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      Truth is simple. We must
      make our "gaze" simple to recognize it. You are right that people run
      after
      those teachers who speak of past lives and talk to their dead relatives
      for
      a fee, etc. Many are the sophisticated and subtle deceptions of teachers
      who
      make so many promises which are meaningless. Rare is the Soul, who is
      beyond
      the teacher/student dichotomy and abides in the Silence of the Heart. I
      like this following quote.

      "O Devi, there are many gurus on earth who give what is other
      than the Self, but hard to find in all the worlds is the guru
      who reveals the Self."
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      For most people, living knee deep in bills
      and family dramas, and their demanding
      employers breathing down their necks,
      the wisdom of 'this world is only
      an illusion' or 'neti, neti' is seen
      as escapism. The eastern masters
      generally don't 'speak' to those that
      are just beginning to stir from their
      sleep.

      Not initially.
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      yesterday, at a local used book
      store i asked the owner about his "new age" versus
      "philosophy/religion"
      section. he keeps having to shift the books around due to customer
      complaints. right now, anything non-christian goes in new age. locals
      complained about ramana and ram dass sitting on the shelves with jesus.
      i
      asked him if it would be okay if i accidently put some books back in the
      wrong places-- he said "no problem." :)
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      stranger
      by thomas merton

      when no one listens
      to the quiet trees
      when no one notices
      the sun in the pool
      where no one feels
      the first drop of rain
      or sees the last star

      or hails the first morning
      of a giant world
      where peace begins
      and rages end:

      one bird sits still
      watching the work of god:
      one turning leaf,
      two falling blossoms,
      ten circles upon the pond.

      One cloud upon the hillside,
      two shadows in the valley
      and the light strikes home.
      now dawn commands the capture
      of the tallest fortune,
      the surrender
      of no less marvelous prize!

      closer and clearer
      than any wordy master,
      thou inward Stranger
      whom i have never seen,

      deeper and cleaner
      than the clamorous ocean,
      seize up my silence
      hold me in Thy Hand!

      now act is waste
      and suffering undone
      laws become prodigals
      limits are torn down
      for envy has no property
      and passion is none.

      look, the vast Light stands still
      our cleanest Light is One!

      from The Strange Islands

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      Perhaps even those who have realized Self

      are subject to having the unconscious shadow aspects

      of selfness. Perhaps we would do well to be aware of the

      acting out of the "shadow" by teachers, particularly

      when this acting out involves harming others, imposing on others,

      not informing or gaining consent from others. This "skepticism"

      could point us toward realizing that indeed, it's

      "not enough to realize Self." Reality involves the wholly Other

      coming in to play, such that what was no longer is.



      How can the self end itself? How can a vision that all is

      Self truly be the ending of attachment? In other

      words, Reality requires the ending of the vision

      of all as Self, to discover the wholly Other that originates

      this vision. In this Other is the ending of the known,

      the self, the finite, the attachments, the contrast of

      self with other. Infinity may then shine unempeded, revealing

      God as God is (or simply That which is).



      This emptying of self from oneself is not an act of

      the self, of thought or emotion, or of one's realization of

      something such as an ultimate Self. Thus, this emptying

      reverses the emptying which occurred when the Other made itself

      Other to itself, created a "space" which allowed the finite to manifest

      from the infinite. Can Reality simultaneously absent itself

      from itself, manifest the finite, and absent itself as finite

      self from manifestation? Speaking symbolically: can God become Adam,

      experience a fall, and simultaneously act as Jesus and ressurect itself

      from the fallen condition that it predestined when it manifested

      what is finite? This is the wholly Other acting within the Self,

      beyond the Shadow, to end the dialectical process of Self and Shadow.



      Thus, there is a reclaiming by the One of

      itself, delivering itself from duality and death by ending

      the false self that seems to suffer and die. A trap for

      the finite or false self is to think that its thought

      process can deliver it, that a guru will deliver it,

      that its false and manipulative existence in any sense will

      be delivered. Only that which it erroneously conceives as nothingness

      will be left, only that aspect of itself that it considers most

      other than itself, which is the still point where it

      "touches" God. The ending of the falsely separate

      self by God is Grace, and love, yet the self that clings

      to a vision of Self my be attached to such a vision

      in a way that doesn't allow a place for the truly

      infinite to enter.



      If the Other enters the self in a way that

      ends the "selfness" or embededness in the past

      of awareness, infinity may

      act in our present lives in ways that are unknown --

      not a "self-process" and beyond a "self recognition."

      The shadow that you mentioned might be very important

      to be aware of, fully accept, as a prelude to the Unknown

      which is "beyond the shadow" to "enter" one's life process.

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      Let me get right to bottom line here: Who wants a Nonduality
      Salon t-shirt?

      Check out what I'll print in very modest size in the upper
      left corner of white, gray, and navy shirts, sizes large and
      extra large:

      http://www.nonduality.com/tshirt.htm
      <a href="http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/tshirt.htm">

      These are the prices at MY COST in U.S. funds. You probably
      have to add about 5 bucks for shipping and packaging.

      The shirts are 100% cotton and of very good quality.

      White shirt $8
      Gray or Navy $10

      I want to sell at least 18. So far I've conned my girl
      friend and my step daughter into buying them. Plus myself.
      I'll probably buy 2 or 3 for myself. So I need to sell about
      a dozen more. 18 is the minimum they'll print.

      Again, this is not a money-making venture, just having fun.
      Once I place the order it will take about 2 weeks for me to
      get the shirts than another week or so for you to receive it
      by mail.
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      How 'bout putting funky slogans on the t-shirts? That'd be cool. Like,
      "Just
      attained realization of the nondual nature of existence and all I got
      was
      this lousy t-shirt." Or whatever.
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      the t-shirt'll make you very popular at
      satsangs. You'll meet a lot of girls.
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      "my child is an honor student, i doesn't exist."
      "i survived the nonduality salon!"
      "have a nice. . .nevermind."
      "i am not wearing a shirt."
      "doing nothing for jesus"
      "i'm in here, somewhere."
      "oops! where did i go?"
      "been there. did nothing. transcended."
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      Now you're getting into the spirit of things! How about:

      "Nobody Home"
      "More Nondual than You"
      "Alice Bailey was a Neo Nazi Slut!"

      I would recommend a special line of shirts honoring the great lights of
      the
      Salon. Thus:
      "Standing Free -- with Jerry!"
      "Tim Loves You"
      "'I'm God, you're still an asshole' -- Petros"
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      I'll of course order several "i'm god, you're still an asshole" shirts.
      i
      live in a small bible lovin' right wing you get the picture community in
      oregon-- could we add the words: "just lynch me now, throw me in a
      well, and
      get it over with?" :) yes, the empire could expand to include
      nisargadatta
      ashtray's (extra large), bumperstickers
      for judi's car, a video series: "self defense with your self (from your
      self/
      of and etc).

      and of course, we'll need shirts with nothing printed on them. that
      way,
      i'll run up to hundreds of perfect strangers, hug them, and say:
      "you're one
      too!" :) (right now, i only do that with freaks. )
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