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ND Highlights Saturday, Aug 21

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  • umbada@xx.xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxxxx)
    What is the price of community? What part of me do I need to deny in order to be a part of you ? How easy it is to belong to a group. It doesn t cost much -
    Message 1 of 1 , Aug 22, 1999
      What is the price of community?

      What part of 'me' do I need to deny
      in order to be a part of 'you'?

      How easy it is
      to belong to a group.

      It doesn't cost much -
      well not all *that* much, anyway....

      not when you consider

      what it costs you to be 'alone'.

      I mean REALLY alone...

      with no one there to fluff you up;

      no one else's energy to feed upon,

      or to distract you from your Self.

      In aloneness,
      Judgment Day is upon us.

      Do I dare to meet my God today?

      Do I dare to face my self?



      Right now I'm reading Susan Blackmore's:' Dying to live'.
      In it she 'demolishes' our sense of 'self' by purely
      rational and experimental means and comes to insights very
      much like those of the mystics. With 'self' I do not mean
      this body/mind entity but the feeling that within this
      body/mind is a 'little (wo)man', an homonculus. This 'self'
      turns out to be nothing more than a complicated,
      self-reflective neural network which developed during our
      growing up. It is a learned structure. It creates a
      separation between this self and other selves. The body/mind
      remains but is seen for what it is: part of the whole but
      not separate from it.



      -Words are symbolic representations of other things. Many
      words refer only to concepts, and not to thingness. Words
      which refer to concepts are the slipperyest of all words.
      Beware the assumption that one can hold such a slippery
      non-thing; it is that holding which is grasping, and it is
      grasping which is contracting. It is that contracting,
      which is the central pain which we seek relief from. Yet it
      is our seeking that which we would grasp, which perpetuates
      the pain of contraction. In this regard, belief and
      contraction are synonymous.

      -Letting-go, means to let go with no conditions.
      Expectation of theraputic outcome is a condition; ergo, why
      let go?

      -The nondual challenge is to abide, both letting-go and not
      letting-go. It is to abide in the force of the field of
      ambiguity. Abiding, one does not stir dust; as the dust
      settles, the one thing which remains is the abider. Clarity
      is maintained by not acting in any way which stirs dust;
      thus one's acts are chosen with care.

      -Humans are susceptible to any force which they subscribe
      to. This includes language.

      -- Gene


      One of the things I liked about the Work (4th Way) was that
      it said one needed to be a good householder before one could
      begin. In other words you needed to be able to pay your own
      PGE bill before you began on a spiritual journey. It may
      sound hard but I believe it is true. It is important to be
      able to take care of your material self before you can
      consider your spiritual self.



      Poonjaji says - If it is silent it is eternal.

      Which comes first, the emergence of silence or the ending of
      thought? If I try to end thought I am attempting to do
      something as mind/will, and that doing interferes with with
      my awareness of silence/stillness. If I begin with the
      space between thoughts and go deeper into that, it becomes
      more and more real - I become real. Thoughts may come and
      go in that, like clouds in the sky.

      Maybe it would be a good idea to put away your books for
      awhile and investigate for yourself.



      Judi visited Nirmala:

      I met Nirmala last nite and I did tell him Petros that you
      said to say hello and he said yes, I know Peter, he just
      moved to LA. And then we got to talking about the internet
      and what not. I liked him very much, very soft, gentle
      spoken man. I arrived a bit late to a full house, with
      everyone in meditation, and Joe was sitting in the back and
      he saw me and pointed me to the empty seat right smack dab
      in front of Nirmala. :-) I smiled and Joe got this wicked
      grin on his face. :-)

      Then Nirmala gave a talk about death, which was ok I
      thought. Then he took questions and worked one on one with
      some of the people. I only spoke up once and that was when
      he was talking to this guy sitting next to me and I forgot
      exactly what it was that Nirmala said, but I immediately
      bristled and said, "no". But I felt he was trying to make
      something out of nothing, and I said, no, it's understanding
      only and that's it. And he did agree with me and said we
      were just using different words for it.

      I think he was using the word mystery. I don't mystery is a
      good word, because that implies something. And that was
      about it.

      Afterwards, as I was leaving, Joe was standing outside
      talking to this fellow and he said hey Judi and I said hey.
      And he asked about Cathy and I was telling him about her
      wanting to learn how to drive, that she has never driven.
      And he says I don't drive either. And I said what, you've
      never driven??? And he grins and says, no, the car goes but
      I don't know who drives it! :-) And then I hit him about
      the head and shoulders a few times!!! Smart alec in every
      crowd!! :-)



      Geez, I am in no ivory tower here. Somehow I offered a
      friend a week's stay during some moving transition..one big
      slumber party was what we had in mind..but she turned up
      with this cancer, its become six weeks and all her relatives
      and friends now coming here to see her..the phone rings
      constantly. I never volunteered to be this "good", trust
      me. You know that corny saying, "This job is only a test.
      If it were a real job, you would have benefits." Jan's
      remark helps me to see this person and event as my guardian
      angel, checking my real progress towards equanimity
      perhaps?? She has become so open for receiving help and
      changing to reduce her stress..we are exploring immunity
      boosting and vegetarian diets even.. I dunno, they are
      bombing us with lemons here, so we may as well..ya know..


      You can't buy enlightenment by being a self righteous saint.
      And crying and feeling very sad and humble about the fact
      that it's not working won't do it either. Enlightenment is
      about transendence and understanding, not about becoming a
      better person. Last time I heard, Mother Theresa was still



      Gene reveals:

      I am only what I am, and I am usually misidentified by
      'others'. I am able to 'act' like a human; I can fit in,
      socially, and can pass for 'normal' if I do the act. But I
      know... that the act is not me. I am the actor doing the
      act. it is a form of hiding that I do. I do not really
      want to be the one to ignite... to initiate... spontaneous
      waves of K wherever I go... and to be praised OR blamed for
      that occurance. I have no motive to do so.
      I reserve that 'power' for special occasions, for intimate
      settings, for the times that I can be clear as to what I am
      doing, (or actually allowing,) and why.

      I no longer have the idea... that I will be able to have a
      'real life' as it is defined by world-dream standards. I
      am... what I am, and now have no need to be acknowledged or
      recognized by 'others'. I have been 'Divinely ripped-off',
      skinned alive, and literally had the 'hell' scared right out
      of me. I have great compassion for anyone who is hanging
      back because of fear; it really does feel, at the time, like
      impending death. I will not say, "fear not". I will say,
      "be afraid... be VERY afraid!", if that is what it takes to
      pass through the tight birth-canal. I do not really enjoy
      having the 'living shit' beat out of me...
      but on the other hand, it is a great relief to have the shit
      be gone, even if it took a 'cosmic laxative' to purge it
      from "me" (and 'as me'!)


      Hello all,

      a little while ago a friend has forwarded this site to me
      and I thought I'd share it. It's a web site dedicated to
      supplying food to the hungery around the world. Sponcers
      pay for it, all we do is click on a button.

      check it out:


      For what it's worth, I've been clicking this one pretty much
      since it started -- seems like a classic "win-win" way to
      use a few on-line seconds.


      The truly down and out are only helped by the truly down and
      out. If you are ever in that position, which I would never
      wish on anyone, and you have to panhandle, find the
      dirtiest, rattiest old pick-up truck, with the tiredest most
      beat down looking woman and a host of filthy withdrawn kids
      and she will give you every penny in her wallet....don't
      bother with the bmw's or the new volvos, they'll roll up
      their windows in fear.....why is that? Those "do-gooders"
      with nothing, share their nothing, because they've "been
      there, done that." Those who live in fear of sharing with
      the undeserving may never have experienced themselves as
      feeling underserving....may they never, but it is a great
      lesson in compassion and in the true value of Things...

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