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9/22/01 Saturday

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  • glee@citlink.net
    ************ *************** ERIC ASHFORD Hi, I m a new member, just read, for the first time, to days digest. Seems to be a lot of Bush knocking going on.
    Message 1 of 1 , Sep 22, 2001


      Hi, I'm a new member, just read, for the first time, to days digest.
      Seems to be
      a lot of Bush knocking going on. Poor guy. I read somewhere
      else on the digest
      that all duality is phenomenal, so I guess so is Bush and
      America! Glad I'm
      English. We tend not to get too fussed about duality and non-
      duality. Except
      when we are looking for a pair of socks to wear. Just kidding!
       Anyway, here
      is my first post. I am a bit of a writer,so will be off loading stuff on
      you from
      time to time. Hope to join in the discussions a bit later when I
      find my feet
      (or even my socks).

      Silence Is Our Answer

      The quiet people are a bosom to the world, and opinions do
      not own them. They are an ear to any soul, and a listening
      post to their hearts.

      Spiritual silence is not dumb, it speaks when spoken to. It
      comes from a deep attendance, that watches silence for the
      authentic emissaries of loves response. Yes, silence is a
      watching, and silence is a waiting. It is held within the
      prospect of abiding. As a seashell holds within itself the call
      of the ocean.

      It listens to the sound of its nature for resounding sincerity.
      It anticipates in the stillness of quietude, and so can be the
      sounding board of divine resonance. Quite people are
      attractive to the world. For every confused wave of sound,
      must find a shore to rest upon. They are at once a shore and
      a peaceful harbor for the tumult of disturbance.

      The silent heart cares not to be right, and does not concern
      itself with wrong. It accepts what can be found in
      commotion is just the emotional echo of its own truth.
      Knowing this, it sees truth in delusion and stillness in the
      wave. It offers repose from the haven of compassion.

      We all must find this soundless speaking in ourselves. It is a
      voice from the oracle of loves expression. It is never a
      reaction, or recoil. It has no backlash in the world. It is a
      pure sound, for it does not arise from righteousness, but
      from forgiveness. It seeks nothing of its own but accepts
      that hearing is an inward attitude, not an outward

      Silence is our answer to every question. Yet it is not
      speechless, it thunders in the voice of love. In the valley of
      the soul the mountains of the heart echo. Everything calls
      back to Unity like rain becoming sea, becoming sky.

      Quiet people are the bosom of God. They are nourished on
      the breast of trust, and fear not to reveal the sacred heart of
      their silence. Like a masters portrait, they show themselves
      as all humanity. They can laugh without any unkindness,
      and can speak without sound. When they weep they become
      your own tears, for they have leaned the value of being you,
      not matter what value you have placed on yourself. They
      are childlike, for they reach for your hand, and call you

      Jesus gave his sermon
      to the desert wind.
      Knowing, it would part the curtain
      of our soul, before the dead returned.
      His silence in you shatters reason,
      and brings Prophets to their knees.

      I am pleased to appoint you
      minister of my heart.
      When you climb the pulpit
      of being I will be your amen.

      In this, our garden of peace,
      robins emerge like tigers from the snow
      flowering in us both,
      as an exaltation of doves.

      You are my New Testament.
      and I your scripture of silence,
      we listen together for loves answer.




      Hi and welcome Eric,
      Another Englishman, that must be two of us here at least, hope
      I'm not forgetting anyone.
      I've been stealing and posting some of your excellent quotes
      from your Truevision List, now I won't be able to anymore,
      sheesh :-)
      If you haven't been lurking very long you'll find its a mixed bag of
      people here, not always very verbal, but I think supportive in our
      different ways whilst trying to finger the unfingerable. Speak the
      Best wishes,

      BOBBY G.

      Subject:  Re: Introduction

      Dear George:
      A few months ago I was in the position of writing my first post to
      advaita (non-dual) group. I have ended up liking it and I post
      regularly on one or another message board. I have gotten a lot
      help for issues some of which I got by reading posts and
      with my own brand of intelligence and insight. What I mean is try
      help others understand your standpoint and they will reply to you
      with their understanding and insight.
      Non-dualism as a concept is a stance seeing all as facets of
      one. The
      difficulty here is that subtle facets such as thoughts must be
      It is easy to see how the physical is all one but how are thoughts
      like the physical? They don't occupy space or travel through
      The world of thought is like the world of form because we
      them in consciousness. Consciousness illuminates all except
      The One, not being a concept, cannot be described, but
      according to
      authorities on advaita such a Nisargadatta and Ramana
      Maharshi (Read
      Ramana and you will get a good start on Advaita Vedanta),this
      One is
      accessed through the uniqueness of "I am" in your heart, if that
      makes sense to you.
      Many will argue that the biggest obstacle to seeing all as one is
      methodology used to do it. (Your Sadhana)
      The concepts that you adopt (or which adopt you) are like the
      that stirs the fire. They will be consumed and eventually
      it is that keeps grasping for new concepts to adopt will be
      burned up
      also in the stirring.
      I hope you will continue your exploration of Non-dualism.
      Yours truly<
      Bobby G.

      GEORGE K

      Thanks, Bobby!

      I think I understand what you're saying. But, I feel as though I've
      on a planet where the beings are very advanced and, while I try
      to express
      where I am, I feel as though they're telling me not to bother with
      what I'm
      trying to express; that's not what's important.

      One of the problems, as I see it, is that I seem to be using iron
      So far, I feel like what's left after stirring the fire, is a lot of
      half-burnt mementos of a quite obsessive search for
      "something". Switching
      my perspective maybe? When I read Flatland I had the same
      feeling. How
      could I possibly make use of a third dimension when I'm flat. I
      circle back
      in an intellectual loop, frustrated, and settle for adding some
      concepts, but feeling like I'm failing.

      Didn't mean to sound so self-pitying. Sometimes I feel like if it
      was a
      spatial thing, I'm really close, you know? But at others, not

      Maybe I'll just try to soak up some of the experience by listening.

      Thanks for being there.



      There seem to be two kinds of searchers:
      those who seek to make their ego something other than it is,
      i.e. holy, happy, unselfish (as though you could make a fish
      and those who understand that all such attempts
      are just gesticulation and play-acting,
      that there is only one thing that can be done,
      which is to dis-identify themselves with the ego,
      by realising its unreality,
      and by becoming aware of their eternal identity
      as pure being.

      --Wei Wu Wei


      Subject:  Re: two kinds of searchers (and the one who isn't)

      And then there is the searcher
      who notices that remaking ego,
      and disidentifying with ego, are
      essentially the same attempt,
      and equally futile.

      And just at that moment of noticing,
      "searcher" and "noticing" aren't.

      -- Dan


      PHarvey wrote:

      A colleague suggested that as an alternative approach we might
      tell the
      Taliban that they either give us bin Laden or we gather up all
      women and send them to college.

      That should do it.


      Xan, that one had me rolling on the floor... you might enjoy this

      Welcome to the home page of the Revolutionary Association of
      Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)



      Subject:  let's take the act on the road Re: makes sense to me!!!

      Let's see, there is so much talent in the NDS pool... comedic
      is everywhere, plus we have Michael Reed and Angelique with
      their act
      of replacing our thoughts and opinions with Michael's. I suspect
      there are realms of talent left unexplored in this digital medium. I
      suggest we form a troupe and take the act on the road.

      Anyone up for Burning Man in 2002?


      Only 337 days left.

      This is a serious question.



      I'm there with bells and a Kali temple
      on my bike.

      See you then!


      Subject:  Re: [NDS] Re: Introduction

      Dear George,
      In reading your letter I can feel your sense of weariness with
      search for deeper understanding. I can also feel your yearning
      and your
      earnestness for the Truth.
      I think this exhaustion is a good thing! It may be the deepest
      part of
      your soul telling you, ever so gently, "I am not outside. I am
      Look for Me inside. It takes no exertion or effort. Find Me there.
      with the eyes of One Who Truly Sees, you will see Me
      Seeing You, seeing Me seeing You,


      Subject:  Re: George - Introduction

      > >G:
      > > when one wakes up to the fact that one's attention
      > is turning to the
      > >concept of non-duality, (almost unintentionally)
      > what does one do
      > >next?

      So -- it drops by itself ...

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