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- *****************JERRY KATZphotos and poems. you might like
--jerryHARSHAVerses From Sankara's Viveka-Chudamani
Selected and Reset by Sri Ramana Maharshi
1. Among all the means for Liberation pre-eminent is Devotion: and the quest
for one's own Reality (the Self is called Devotion.) (31)
2. The Supreme Self, the eternal, indivisible, non-dual Consciousness, the
Witness of buddhi and the rest, is other than Sat and asat, and is the
ultimate significance of the notion conveyed by the term 'I'. It is the
immediate Reality, the Bliss Incarnate. (351)
3. The Supreme Self of pure Consciousness, different from prakriti and its
modifications, shines as the 'I-I', the direct Witness of buddhi during the
wakeful and other states, and lights up this entire manifestation of Sat and
4. That which clearly manifests itself within during the wakeful, dreaming
and sleep states, which is directly perceived within as the 'I-I' of
continuous awareness, which perceives the ego, buddhi, etc., that are of
diverse forms and modifications, and which reveals itself as the Atman of
Eternal Consciousness-Bliss - know thou this, thine own Self, within the
5. By direct experience know thou this, thine own Self within thyself, as
"This is I", with the mind regulated and the intellect pure and clear;
(thereby) cross the boundless ocean of samsara of which the waves are the
(succession of) births and deaths: thy aim thus fulfilled, be established as
the Absolute. (136)
6. In the sheath of intelligence shines eternally Atman, the self-effulgent
Witness of all. Making that thy lakshya, which is quite different from the
unreal - enjoy it by experience, through unbroken awareness, as thy own
7. Extremely subtle is the Truth of the Self Supreme, and it is not
discernible to the gross vision (of the mind). It is knowable to the noble
minded of perfectly pure intellect, through very subtle Self-awareness
during Samadhi (the State of Transcendental Peace). (360)
8. When the mind, qualified thus through incessant practice, is merged in
Brahman, then the Samadhi getting rid of its savikalpa character leads of
its own accord to the Experience of Bliss of Oneness (i.e., of Nirvikalpa
9. By the Samadhi are destroyed all the knots of vasanas and all karma is
destroyed. There remains, within and without, everywhere and at all times,
the effortless manifestation of one's Swaroopa, the Self. (363)
10. In the cave of the buddhi is the Supreme Brahman, one without a second,
distinct from Sat and asat. For him who abides in this cave as verily that
Self, there is no rebirth. (266)TONY O'CLERYNamaste Harsha,
Yes I notice in the last verse, he says distinct from Sat
(Sat-Cit-Ananda), and asat. which is Nirguna Brahman. I think the
confusion comes in when people mistake the I-I or Self/Saguna for
Also the sadhana of samadhi meditation is advised to purify, the
Since the meaning of the words often depends on the context they are used
in, perhaps reasonable people can have different interpretations. I would
not get too much caught up in it.
Frankly, the Saguna-Nirguna thing does not make much difference to me. Self
is beyond all words, language, and interpretation. It shines by its Own
Light and needs no concepts to support it.
Whatever seems to you Tony to be the correct way of looking at it or
understanding, that is the way to go. Ultimately, all these way of looking
at it, all these different points of view are simply due to conditioning and
background and are in the mental, conceptual domain. Such concepts have no
inherent meaning what so ever except in relationship to each other.
When the mind drops, along with it goes the notion of Saguna, Nirguna,
Sat-Chit-Ananda, etc as well as how these relate to each other and which one
is superior, inferior, etc.
Hope this makes sense.
Mais non, mon frere! Sais ne pas vrais.
Speaking of the pair of opposites Sat and asat is distinct from
the term Satchitananda. Sri Ramana is referring to the fact that
the Self is distinct from our being as individuals, as well as
from our possible nonexistence as individuals.
His use of the term Sat has no relation to the term Satchitananda
in this verse.
> As a hypnotist, have you ever induced such a deeptrance,
> that obedience was immediate and without resistance? Orhave you ever been present while such a trance was induced?
Yes I have.
What's interesting to note though is that the deepest
trance states induced were often experienced by those
whose resistance was the greatest initially. (The ones
who said they could never be hypnotized, for example,
or who fought against 'relaxing'. )
Rather than seeing resistance as an obstacle to overcome,
I quickly learned to USE the resistance....to follow it....to
amplify it.....and then see where it would lead us.
This, too, served to be a good teaching for me
in my 'everyday' life, as well.
I appreciated your comments, Gene.
>Subject: RE: Hi
>NDS through pure mind
> I have actually been moderating
>control. Jerry haswhile. I am surprised he did not mention it. Thanks for
>known about it for a
>asking.Yes, it takes a pure mind to exert this kind of pure mind-control.
Little does the 'average participant' know, of what really goes on here
behind the scenes, at Mind Control Central...
First, we (the collective pure mind-controllers) have to manifest the
illusion of a 'world', and then while keeping that one steady (a feat
akin to spinning a plate atop a pole balanced on the nose), must
then create the illusion of 'the internet'. This task is best left to specially
qualified 'Gages' (Geek-Sages), whose constant attention to such
details as DNS numbers and routing tables comprises the ever-more
complicated mantra which must be chanted in endless cyclic
repetition. The stability of the illusory 'internet' is in their capable
cerebral cortexes, and depends forever on their rarified abilities!
Once we have stabilised the illusions of both the world and the internet,
we must then concoct a veritable witches-brew of criteria which will
then be set to govern exactly the nature of the experience of every
It is important to set a 'high bar' in order to induce fear and insecurity
in the hearts and minds of the neophyte user/subscriber. Once this
fear is felt, there is no going back, for each and every 'user' will find
ever-greater validation for conforming to our carefully preset criteria.
It is this constant feeding of pellets of validation to those who most
willingly comply with our criteria, which eventually has them eating out
of our hands!
Now combine with the above schedule of reinforcement, the occasional
zap of disapproval, or 'punishment', and we have encased the user
in an inescapable stimulus-response cage, happy only if fed validation
Even the casual reader will soon realise that even they are trapped,
or destined to be trapped, for our fiendishly concocted ploy of
mind-control, for we have left no way out. Once initiated, our plans
inevitably concatenate to the extremes of the human universe,
enslaving all in one big automatic and unconscious family!
Can't you just feel the music of bliss, inducing a celebratory movement
in mind, heart, and feet? Yes! Dance to our tune, for the utmost in
validation! Join ranks with those who have already given up any idea
of 'individual autonomy', whose glazed eyes have been set permanently
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of body, mind and spirit to dull shards upon the sharp stones of
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