- **********GENE & VALERIEExcerpts from a long dialogueGene Poole wrote:
> <snip>is some point at which I can let it all go, I
> If I assume that there
> will be irritated,annoyed, depressed, and even despondent that I am
> not at that point'yet'. This position, one of brash idealism, causes
> the continualcomparison between 'what is' and 'what should be'. The
> consequence ofthis continual comparison, is a sense of discontent, a
> pain, an angst,which serves to drive me to ever-greater feats of
yes I have noticed a vascillating sense of being there -
detached/non-attached/less-attached - then - (later that day) aiyeeee!!! I
WANT something/somebody or - I AM attached again - back and forth. This
awareness serves like a bait, to make me aware that I am being less than
"good" or "spiritually correct" when I AM attached, and makes the sense of
desire even more painful, if anything.
> around, doingnothing? And worse, how could I justify having a
> thought, without aconcurrent feeling? Shouldn't every thought, be
> accompanied by anemotion? What kind of person has no feelings, no
> attachments, noopinion, no preference? Isn't that like brain-death,
No. Inasmuch as the brain is a house for the spirit then isn't the spirit
the master of the brain - well, they live in consort anyhow.
As an empath who also has a mood disorder, I guess you could say I've had to
pay extra close attention to feelings and moods and feelings. There are
feelings which are triggers from past experiences, there are feelings which
come from other people in the area which one may or may not even be aware
of, there are feelings caused by one's own biochemistry, any combo thereof,
and also I believe sincerely in past life events which bring people and
feelings into this life. Truly bizarre they are - feelings.
My problem with them is - I seem caught in the misery part way too often.
Just coasting in neutral - the *non-attachment* would be such a reprieve to
climb out of the pits - say - where's the sun?? ;-))
> Certainly, we must always strive to the ever-upwarddirection,
> cultivating sensitivity to the higher vibratory states andrealms? I
> mean, isn't that how you escape of the hell that life is?Isn't that
> what transcendence is for? After all, if I can sense thatsomething
> is wrong, shouldn't I strive to fix it, and to move to makethe world
> a better place, as well? Isn't that how I avoid 'making moreKarma',
> too?yes - and the world being relatively what we make of it - seems to be a
spiritual malaise or angst or turmoil because we here at our computers
obviously aren't homeless or starving or suffering the throes of torture or
bloodshed or war - so why the angst? How do we "tune our (spiritual) radio
signals" to pick up the non-attachment - and/or more sublime radio
Meditation of itself is a good fix but being transitory unless one can spend
all day there. I wonder if there is an eastern answer to this question? but
any answer will do! :)
> The vast disparity of idealism, is the disconnect ofdetachment; the
> world 'isn't real', until I see it correctly. When I seethe world
> correctly, then, the world is real, because I am then provedto be
> real, by my ability to see what is real, as opposed to whatis
> illusory. When the scales are removed from my eyes, by the adventof
> my own cosmic purity, only then, will I be able to see andunderstand
> what is real. At least, that is the idealistic version ofthings.
But what is real is also relative - hey? Another matter of opinion...
I don't think our mortal brains are hard wired to conceive of the vastness
of what IS really real, really.
But just what will work to get us by with the least amount of pain, doing
the most good that we can
until we know what comes next. Playing it by ear...
> a flux of events, which I experience as aconversation to which I am
> witness, but am not conscious of originating.I can imagine myself as
> the creator, but somehow that does not lenditself to a wholistic
> experience; I am still drawn to learning. I amstill vulnerable,
> tender, and still tend to get hooked. That is why Ipractice
> non-attachment. I do not deny what is, I do not know what is,but I
> am at peace with what is, most of the time.And being at peace with *what is* - does this mean that YOU are *what is* ?
How do you define *what is* that you might be at peace with it?
> conditioned myself to ask myself just what is really going on.Most
> of the time, the answer I get is that I am running a racket,usually
> one of either fear and selfishness or idealism. And each ofthose
> camouflages the other; each justifies the other.hmmmm.
just the arising seeds of discontent, hey? Somewhat further along than these
righteously angry people needing spiritual enemas before they even get to
seems like the more refined the work on the self gets, the harder it becomes
to pin down
specifically - more illusory - like myself, sitting here on my rock in the
rain and sideways gales...
ain't nothin' wrong with my perspective that a look-see at what other people
are doing, perchance to be of service - wouldn't cure - *sigh* but the
intellectual knowledge bounces off the malaise rather than assimilation.
You know - they took my daughter overnight - guess I was sposed to go out to
the bars (alien flora and fauna) you know, you know - for my birthday -
mebbe I *shoulda* - in lieu of the Peace Corps... *sigh* too late now!
> witness, I am aware of when I am taking a dump on someone,and thus I
> strive to not dump, no matter how much the other may seem to'deserve
> it'. I understand that once the first turd is thrown,certain
> reactions are quite predictable. Non-attachment allows the turdto be
> seen as a neutral entity, rather than as a weapon.yeah - I have had to learn to not take things personal as a "TOO sensitive"
being - I *cringe* at TOO sensitive, because being very sensitive I see as a
spiritual gift, even if it IS oftentimes a BEAR of one. But other people's
turds being neutral entities - yes - water off a duck's back for sure. There
are ways to psychically guard one's self from the "slings and arrows of
outrageous fortune", if one is aware. As for myself slinging turds as
weapons, I don't. They come back threefold almost instantly in my case!
> honestly than do our professings and protestations.A person may
> state high ideals, and believe thus to have highideals, but the
> whole thing can be a circuitous racket, denial enablingresentment,
> resentment fueling incessant acting-out, and the inevitablereactions
> of others, justifying endless cycles of this tail-chasingfury.
Yes, I think I ken your meaning. And such as taking responsibility for some
situations and not leaving them in fantasy land but becoming as clear as
possible in the true light of day. Ye gads, that takes a lot of courage
To make peace within and have interactions become responses, not reACTions -
which I think are borne of triggers from every other time but the NOW real
wish me good luck...
> I live on the end of the tip of the tongue of theLiving Universe, a
> surfer whose balance is his only grace, hanging tenover the keyboard
> here , riding the endless wave, propelled by themomentum of life,
> and basically making it up as I go along. It helps tohave a big
> vocabulary and a bigger knowledge-base. What distraction canI
> afford, from the effect of an unbalanced relationship? Am Iso
> skilled, powerful and wise, that I can afford to ignore or denyany
> facet of my seeming experience?that is very poetic, oh great oracle :-) - I wonder if you will tell us
whether you think you can afford to ignore or deny any facets of your
But from my position - I never seem to have room in my psyche to be
consciously aware of ALL of my experience at the same time - so YES - like
it or not - I cannot but help ignore, if not deny portions of subconscious
terrains of experiences I have access to somewhere in my (psyche) hard
> When I ceasedepending upon external sources of 'wisdom', do I find
> or notice gracebalance; I cease seeking formulas for liberation,
> knowing I do not havethe judgement necessary to know the difference
> between liberation andanything else. In the meantime I abide, but I
> abide as one whostands always naked under the downpour of a powerful
> waterfall, not surewhat to make of the water. I abide not knowing,
> and in that state ofliberation from assumption, find that I can
> understand something of thelanguage which the Vast Living Universe
> is constantly speaking andmanifesting, this conversation known as
> 'reality' or 'whatis'.
so, once giving up *assumption* and relying upon each our source of inner
wisdom - we are all connected by the Great Light of God/dess/Creative Force
- and this is how we are all connected, behind our veils?
> Now I give this back, back and out, a re-transmissionof what I hear
> and observe. I try to be as accurate as possible in thisexpression.
> I do not see much in the way of creativity going on in me,just
> mainly a lot of reassessments and ongoing modifications ofpast
> judgements. It is a work in progress, but one illuminated bythe
> intense thousand-petaled lotus which creates my awareness, aliving
> mandala of form changing in emptiness, a fluctuation in space. Itis
> the points which shift the least, which I attend to as guidesto
> going deeper.the highest mountains.
> It is the deepest beacons which create
>wow. to see consciousness as form and emptiness within the vastness of space
> ==Gene Poole==
and time - how will our consciousness look to an electron telescope 3
billion lightyears away from a distant galaxy?
oh poor small things *sniff!*
Now, if I must ever weep, I shall weep for us all instead!
may all love and light be within us all today and forever...
valerieERIC BLACKSTEADGene & Friends,
Your 'non-attachment' post to Valerie was a nice piece of work.
> Our reactions portray ourassumptions, far more accurately and> honestly
than do our professings and protestations.
And this in particular seems spot on. When you add in the rest of your
paragraph you have a fairly accurate discription of almost every other
"spiritual" site on the web, Harsha being the almost magical exception.
A person may> state high ideals, and believe thus to have high ideals, but
the> whole thing can be a circuitous racket, denial enabling resentment,>
resentment fueling incessant acting-out, and the inevitable reactions> of
others, justifying endless cycles of this tail-chasing fury.
To make peace within and have interactions become responses, not
reACTions -which I think are borne of triggers from every other time but the
NOW realtime.wish me good luck...
This is the irony of the 'work' of witnessing, isn't it, and why it functions
as a sadhana before it becomes a fact.
Earlier you had said: How do we "tune our (spiritual) radiosignals" to pick
up the non-attachment - and/or more sublime radiofrequencies?Meditation of
itself is a good fix but being transitory unless one can spend all day there.
I wonder if there is an eastern answer to this question? but any answer will
For me, this is where the guru comes in. Baba would call Siddha Yoga a
perfect yoga. Well, I'm not qualified to make too many assumptions about
that, but I'm not so insensitive that I didn't notice that "turning within"
was much more like "being turned within", and both witnessing and
non-attachment seemed to rise, at least at times, automatically from this
same "within" in the company of the guru.
yours in the bonds,