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Friday June 15, 2001

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  • Gloria Lee
    **************** HUR GULER When the lover first heard the story of being in love, he wore out his soul, heart and eyes in its path. He thought that perhaps the
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      HUR GULER
       
      When the lover first heard the story of being in love,
      he wore out his soul, heart and eyes in its path.
      He thought that perhaps the lover and beloved were two.
      But he realized that both were one
      and he was seeing double [= double vision].

      - Rumi

      This literal translation by Ibrahim Gamard relates to love at
      mystical level.  

      And now the poetic version by Coleman Barks which can be interpreted
      at romantic level:

      "The minute I heard my first love story,
      I started looking for you,
      not knowing how blind that was.
      Lovers don't finally meet somewhere.
      They're in each other all along 
       
       

      PETER SCHOONHEM SAMARA
       
      Question:
         Are the past and future mere imagination?

      Ramana Maharshi:
         Yes, even the present is mere imagination,
         for the sense of time is purely mental.
         Space is similarly mental.
         Therefore birth and rebirth, which take place in
         time and space, cannot be other than imagination.
       
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       
      When, through the various practices of yoga the mind becomes pure and we are told about our True Self abiding in the Heart (Hrdayam) as being all-pervasive, there is a sudden sense of recollection where the mind is reflected back on the Self.
       
      This recollection of our single Truth is felt as a pulsation of the sense of "I" felt in the Atma nadi (an extension of the sushumna) between the Heart (Hrdayam) and the Crown (Sahasrara).
       
      Until this is felt, there continues the concept, idea, impression or imagination that the "I" is the identity between the "I" sense and thoughts and sensations of the body in reaction to an apparently separate world.
       
      This identity (ego) is not real, only the "I" is real.  When the single "I" is felt, it pulsates as a gravitational force sucking in any impressions that appear in the mind, such that the mind is filled with live pervasive light, much the same as though when looking at a slide or movie, the screen fades to white, as the power of the light is increased.
       
      Once this inward pulling force tales hold, you abide permanently in Its Singularity, and witness, without attention, the dissolution of the sense of identity to thoughts, sensations impressions and images. Everything related to ideas of time and space dissolves, as you abide single,.... uncaused,.... unconditioned,... space-like,... without thoughts nor a thinker...
       
      "Emptiness here, emptiness there, no difference for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen..." (3rd Zen Patriarch)
       
      This "recollection" is so clear and profound that it releases you entirely from all concepts as you abide in your single recollected Truth.
       
      What is imaginary is the idea of there being an identity between the "I", which is the all pervasive substratum felt in the Heart, and the images appearing in the conscious field.  When the Heart (the Self) recollects Itself, you become aware that you are the single substratum, and you awaken to the timeless experience of your Self as That.  The sense of identity falls away like a mirage.  It's simply relinquished.
       
      There is an inward drawing sensation of the sense of "I" from the diverse attention to the concocted idea of identity to Its ever abiding Single Truth, as you are drawn into the experience of your Self as pervasive blazing Light. "I am the Light of the world" is what you awaken to, and you entirely forget the former dream of "I am this and that" as being no more than an illusion, that even as you look upon it it vanishes.
       
      As to the thoughts and images and planes that are illumined and have their reflected appearance within the Diamond Mind, they are discovered to continue automatically without the slightest idea of a doer or the use of attention and focus to see and know.
       
      Somehow the Truth has to be heard.  Once heard, It takes hold of you and cannot be lost, as the dissolution of the "I" from the images in the mind prevails steadily.  Whether the mind is agitated and active or still and pure, somehow this "hearing" has to take effect, after which this force of Dissolution will prevail.
       
      This experience is within the immediate possibility of everyone, as It is the Truth even now.  Abandoning imagination, the Self is Realized as ever abiding Truth, as "I am the Truth."
       
      There is nothing at all philosophical to this.  Abandoning attention to all thoughts, you awaken to and emerge as Self.
       
      Pieter

      WIM BORSBOOM
      response to same Ramana quote on HarshaSatsangh
       

      There are some differences between what Ramana said then and what beings
      of similar clarity say now... The audience is also very different....
      There are a few things that I got from Gautama Shakyamuni that will not
      be repeated by current beings of similar clarity.
      Even Jesus knew that in the end the cross was an error... Good thing he
      figured this thing out by coming up with the Eleuterios (helper or holy
      spirit).

      There are perceptions and conceptions.
      Perceptions are data, measurements. It is good to read up and get some
      understanding on quantum mechanics and quantum measurement. We need to
      update ourselves when it comes to a new appreciation of what ENERGY is
      in all its formations and formulations.
      THIS IS IT still, however we need to use a different language based as
      much as possible on contemporary science, not some amalgamated soup mix
      of outdated truisms. Science ain't there for nothing.... it is part of
      Plato's or Socrates' admonition to "Gnoti Seauton", "Know Yourself"
      which can also mean "Find out for yourself." There is no external
      authority on truth..., when self doubt is gone truth is uncovered, when
      the question is gone no answer is even needed. There is only self
      evidence... no matter what anybody says of whatever stature.... I know
      that I am... I know that for sure...
      And my wish is that every being will recover the same self evidence....
      No use to spread doubt, I rather see a fool who is sure of himself than
      a doubting petulant bitter snob who only knows self righteousness and
      measures others against it. (Hey Wim, speak for yourself... :-)
      But then what do I know about anybody but... that they WILL figure it
      out... self evidence is by definition eventually undeniable...

      Love, Wim

      PS.
      Oops, forgot about conceptions.
      Conceptions are discardable mental constructs that we employ 'for the
      time being' to understand the seeming complexity of the world, so that
      we may discover the simplicity of it all. Conceptions are by definition
      of a temporary nature.

      When Ramana uses the word BLIH-BLAH-BLOH, it is usually translated as
      "imagination", or "not real",  something "mental", sometimes he means
      "concept" sometimes "notion", etc. Imagination in our language does not
      have all those meanings...
      Imagination is not the opposite of reality.
      Reality is not the opposite of imagination.
      Reality is the only thing there is.
      'Nothing' is not the opposite of something,
      or to say it better with the same meaning :
      Nothing is the opposite of something.

      Nothing does not even not exist, that is why we call it nothing.
      Imagination is not the opposite of reality.
      Imagination does not exist, it is not real... that is why we call it
      illusive.
      Reality is.
      Being is...
      "What is not" is a only a mind boggle...


      GLoria Lee
      FW: [AlongTheWay] Only an open heart

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              The strong desire for freedom rises only in an
              open heart.  This desire is the fertility of the land
              to take the seed of the Satguru's Teaching.
              Satsang is raindrops on this opening heart.
              Only people near freedom need instruction;
              not those in the dark, and not those in the Light.

                                          - Papaji

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      This quotation is from:
      "The Truth Is"
      Sri H.W.L. Poonja
      Yudhishtara, 1995



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