Saturday June 9, 2001
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PAUL COTE: escape from real life
fwd'd by Jan Sultan from allspirit
>Beautifully put Paul! Godcreated the Universe as a mirror to see himself
>and Love himself. Whoare we to deny Him this pleasure. Many realized
>beings experience thenon-duality and then come and rest in their heart
>chakras. Take theexamples of Hafiz and Rumi!
>At 09.06.01-05:27 AM, Paul Cote
>>Right Gill, I agree... The spiritual path means more tome than just
>>being in the present moment. It has to do with myheart. Getting to
>>know my heart in order to understand what Iam doing in relationship
>>to my heart. Getting in tune with theheart. Understanding why it is
>>open sometimes and gushing love andapparently closed at other
>>times... I believe it has to do withmy own attitude, actions,
>>thoughts, tendencies and fickleness ratherthan the heart's... yet I
>>am integral with my heart! Most ofthe chatter surrounding advaita
>>can lead one to a false sense ofcompletion. Sure, one can grok that
>>all is one, and evenbelieve they experience all is one--or that they
>>are a robot andwhats the use?. But the heart knows the answer and
>>it is assimple as this...
>>he is not under the domination
>>If one is in love, his heart is open,
>>of his ego. He has attained, at leastfor that moment some humility
>>If his heart is blocked, then the egois in control and he is bound
>>by ego. In my case, a lot of thetime, there is a problem because
>>the heart is blocked. Eventhough I have experienced great love, the
>>Self, consciousness, theblue pearl, kundalini, sound, light, the
>>present moment, the witness,transcendent formlessness, can
>>understand advaita.... eventhough I can be fully present, when the
>>heart is not clear, Iam not satisfied. All of that other crap is
>>pure baloney. Tofool myself otherwise is ridiculous.
>>to learn how to be loving all the time... to
>>So, the adventure is
>>follow theheart.... whereas we were previously controlled by the
>>fight orflight reactions of the ego, after some realization, we need
>>tobecome aware of the God within the heart and find out what pleases
>>Him.not aimed at anyone but me.
>>This is my own expression, and
>>Nevertheless, I would love to get to knowothers who are also
>>learning how to come into loving relationshipwith "the Friend, the
>>Heart, the Guruwithin".
>>happens when you obey? What
>>How do you listen to your heart? What
>>happens when youdon't?
>>makes the heart laugh.
>I wish you Love. [God isLove]
JUDI: "OH NO"I discovered for myself and by myself that there
is no self to realize -- that's the realization I am
talking about. It comes as a shattering blow. It
hits you like a thunderbolt. You have invested
everything in one basket, self-realization, and, in
the end, suddenly you discover that there is no
self to discover, no self to realize -- and you say to
yourself "What the hell have I been doing all my
life?!" That blasts you.
*** UG KrishnamurtiJERRYIt's more like a pyramid than a basket. More like a complex
spiritual-mental-emotional structure contructed for the purpose of entombing
subtle mummifications of knowledge, such as the mummy of 'self', of 'nothing
is happening', of 'all is sameness', and so on.
Come to think of it, U.G. kinda looks like a mummy!
rags to riches,
******* The "basket" he is talking about is the "lottery ticket" I was
referring to the other day. You got to put yourself on the line in other words.
That's what it's all about. How you ever gonna realize yourself if you don't put
yourself in front of the camera? If you ever expect to hit a home run, you got to
step up to the plate. Thinking and talking about it alone does not cut the
mustard. Like Da used to do, he would slap his leg, and say 'this is the
teaching, right here'. The teaching must become "concrete", actual, in real life terms.
Arm chair philosophizing don't cut it.DANThe teaching already *is*.
It doesn't become anything.
It doesn't avoid anything.
Thanks for the laugh by submitting this quote Judi...
Apparently UG failed to see why the ancients used a term called "self-realization"...
But then, one also might wonder whether UG was "realized" or not - because what
would be the use of relabeling a black wolf to "not a white wolf"?
Apart from that, it shows that UG had expectations of "self-realization" and
all his expectations were blown out - not much of a surprise though...
Why didn't he just say" Whatever label, it's never what you think, expect
or hope. All thoughts, expectations and hope constitute the seeming separation".DAN
Yes - it's not what I expect,
it's what's already here
with no expectation about it ...
What needs to be "torn down" here?
Cordially Free and Yellow.
Are you still afraid?
Come and look,
Nothing will happen.
waiting for you
take your time.
NOW NOW NOW!!!
Yap now is here again :-)
PS: I'm actually intending to send you to that web page, and to send
me your feedback, as for myself I think it's a blast, we might be
moving to dreamworld soon, then again, I got already so much used to
those popp up windows, they kind of give this page a real unique
caracter, I think I like them a little by now.
just two lovers
(meditation on non-dual love for mira)
…the greatest sacrifices are the sweetest delights.”
although we are agree and do not agree
that there is nothing and there is not nothing
that there is neither time nor space, yin nor yang
you nor i for we are and are not one
still, i insist that we start counting these stars
that do and do not exist
there is fire and there is ice
the fire melts the ice
the ice quenches the fire
recognizing this we realize that we are and are not one but two
you are i are here as am i even if we insist we are not
this union between the fire and ice is not two but one
this union is not higher love nor lower love
but love itself
which is one
very few woman and even fewer men
can conceive of love
realize that love sacred and profane
is the only true religion
is life itself
the lover deifying the beloved
the beloved deifying the lover
the golden sun shining for the silver moon
the silver moon darkly reflecting the sun’s golden light
together create the lightness that is nothing without the darkness
the lightness within the mirror mirroring the mirror within the darkness
without devotion and passion
without great sacrifice, dark to light, light to dark
there is only nothing, nothing is nothing without something
there is neither sweet darkness nor bitter lightness
i have sought you forever mirabai
out of the many in the endless throng
i have heard you call my name
we are as necessary to each other
as the sun is to the moon
both to the infinite stars that lie beyond
out of the starry starry night
i come to you
one from among many
i am your one
you are my one
together we are not two but one
just two lovers within each other
one just one
i come serenading i come
mark christopher valentine
(june 8, 2301)
ECKHART TOLLE interview excerpt here, see url for rest.Some of you may find the issues discussed in this interview to be of interest, or even, dare I say, "helpful"... Some highlighting of possible reasons behind differences in the approaches of Buddha, Ramana, and Jesus is included near the end. Glohttp://www.wie.org/j18/tolle.asp Eckhart TolleAC: In your book The Power of Now you state that "The ultimate purpose of the world lies not within the world but in transcendence of the world." Could you please explain what you mean?
ET: Transcending the world does not mean to withdraw from the world, to no longer take action, or to stop interacting with people. Transcendence of the world is to act and to interact without any self-seeking. In other words, it means to act without seeking to enhance one's sense of self through one's actions or one's interactions with people. Ultimately, it means not needing the future anymore for one's fulfillment or for one's sense of self or being. There is no seeking through doing, seeking an enhanced, more fulfilled, or greater sense of self in the world. When that seeking isn't there anymore, then you can be in the world but not be of the world. You are no longer seeking for anything to identify with out there.
AC: Do you mean that one has given up an egotistical, materialistic relationship to the world?
ET: Yes, it means no longer seeking to gain a sense of self, a deeper or enhanced sense of self. Because in the normal state of consciousness, what people are looking for through their activity is to be more completely themselves. The bank robber is looking for that in some way. The person who is striving for enlightenment is also looking for it because he or she is seeking to attain a state of perfection, a state of completion, a state of fullness at some point in the future. There is a seeking to gain something through one's activities. They are seeking happiness, but ultimately they are seeking themselves or you could say God; it comes down to the same thing. They are seeking themselves, and they are seeking where it can never be found, in the normal, unenlightened state of consciousness, because the unenlightened state of consciousness is always in the seeking mode. That means they are of the world—in the world and of the world.
AC: You mean that they are looking forward in time?
ET: Yes, the world and time are intrinsically connected. When all self-seeking in time ceases, then you can be in the world without being of the world.AC: What exactly do you mean when you say that the purpose of the world lies in the transcendence of it?ALAN KUNTZfrom Norvene Vest's "No Moment Too Small"--
"We are called to be loving, to be whole, to be so filled with God that
God's glory pours through us. Yet we cannot make ourselves into this
living flame. Silence as discipline brings us to the monk/seeker's discovery:
transformation does not happen because we do more, but because we allow
God to work in us. Nothing in our power enables us to make the dramatic
shift from elimination of a few faults to the life of abundance to which we are
called and for which we long. This awareness of personal incapacity is
one of the essential gifts of silence."********************************************************************************************************