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  • umbada@ns.sympatico.ca
    perhaps it is high time to be done with consorts of all kinds. for how many lifetimes have you been searching for the beloved? yearning for that perfect
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      perhaps it is high time to be done
      with consorts of all kinds.
      for how many lifetimes have you been searching
      for the beloved?  yearning for that perfect lover.  rejoice at finding them
      for a moment and then alas
      their body turns to rotting putrid flesh
      and where have they gone?  or the boredom of day to day life makes you want
      to flee
      and find a new                  perfect lover.
      fleshy lovers, dream lovers,
      where is the one who will love you perfectly?
      where is the one you can perfectly love?
      as long as you make yourself into a somebody
      you will make an other,  many others
      this is an endless round of duality and suffering
      be done with an individuated identity
      be done with the round of yearning for union
      be done with the round of birth and death

      bright ones, eternal one, know this well

      you alone exist!


      Andrew Macnab

      ...Turning the light
                     to shine within,
                     turn it around again.

                     you can’t face it
                     or turn away from it.

                     The root of it.

                     Meet the Awakened Ancestors,
                     become intimate with the teachings,
                     lash grass into thatch for a hut
                     and don’t tire so easily.

                     Let it go,
                     and your life of a hundred years

                     Open your hands.

                     Walk around.


                     The swarm of words,
                     and little stories
                     are just to loosen you
                     from where you are stuck.

                     If you want to know
                     the one in the hermitage
                     who never dies,

                     you can’t avoid this skin-bag
                     right here.
                     Shitou Xiqien (700-790)



              It's sheer illusion
              to try to separate
              the phenomena
              from the Reality,
              and then try
              to love phenomena first.
              It just doesn't happen that way.
              we end in failure.

              You don't have to try
              to achieve
              unity with others.
              It is fallacious thinking
              and doing.
              Realize the unity
              of everything
              and everyone
              within you

                            - Swami Amar Jyoti


      This is mental mumbo jumbo. All that is being said is that
      the solution is the problem. That is still a division. The
      mind cannot come up with its own solution.

      What we have to contribute is in our heart and it is free of
      mental mumbo jumbo.

      Marcia --

      Psychological/emotional attempt
         to get from here to there, through
         solving or contributing, is not.

      No effort to move or stay still,
         to change or remain the same,
         nor to have something
         to contribute, get, or get to.

      As the attempt to get or become
         ceases, the misperception
         that there is a knowing entity
         apart ceases.

      It is possible to say, to some extent,
         something about an attempt that
         ceases.  It's not possible to say
         *what is* as that attempt is not.
         There is no way to say it,
         because it is only clear that one
         *is* it -- saying something about
         *what is* makes it something limited,
          to be transferred by words or ideas --
          which is not what *it is*...


      JERRY (found on another website)

      Voluntary Rolling Blackout Voluntary Blackout - The First Day
      of Summer, Thursday, June 21, 2001, 7 - 10 p.m. worldwide,
      all time zones

      In protest of George W. Bush's energy policies and lack of
      emphasis on efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels,
      there will be a voluntary rolling blackout on the first day
      of Summer, June 21 at 7 p.m. - 10 p.m. in any time zone (this
      will roll it across the planet). It's a simple protest and a
      symbolic act. Turn out your lights from 7 p.m. until 10 p.m.
      (your local time) on June 21. Unplug whatever you can unplug
      in your house. Light a candle for the Sun, kiss, make love,
      play games, tell ghost stories, do something instead of
      watching television, have fun in the dark. Forward this email
      as widely as possible, to your government representatives and
      environmental contacts. Let them know we want global
      education, participation and funding in conservation,
      efficiency and alternative energy efforts - and an end to
      over exploitation and misuse of the Earth's resources.



      Proposal: That NDS can be used as a means of refining
      concepts and definitions having to do with nonduality; that
      this can be done cooperatively and productively; and that
      those who wish to participate wholly or in part in that
      endeavor, may do so as they wish.

      Further: That Jerry and anyone else so inclined, make an
      effort to compile the resultant information into what could
      be considered to be a 'modern relational database of topics
      related to nonduality'.

      Goal: To cast a wide net, to capture modern terms and
      concepts, to relate such to ancient and traditional ideas,
      thus to eventually have access to all logically associated
      ideas concerning nonduality, in a form which is either a
      carefully organized text file, or an actual relational
      database, or both.

      Eventually, this information could be published on paper and
      web, as an aid to those who have need of such a refined body
      of opinions.

      A skillfully compiled hyperlinked version of the text file
      would be useful, not only as a web resource, but as a
      standalone document as well.

      An excellent working example can be found here:


      Click on 'project organization' to view an example of a
      topically driven page of hyperlinks.

      Opinions solicited...



      Maybe this can get a ball rolling.

      In the sphere of *talking* about nonduality, nonduality
      includes seeing how dualities don't make any ultimate sense,
      and are never really experienced. But of course some
      dualities are more subtle and sticky than others. One might
      think to have transcended all of them just because the
      dualities of, say, attraction and aversion don't seem to
      arise any more.

      Here are some of the more tenaciously held dualities, whether
      as belief or as assumptions, or as the shadowy limiting
      factors of experience:

      Free will/Determinism

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