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    JB789 The following might not be terribly profound and far away from That , but something stuck me the other day... I was alone all Easter (.. break from
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      The following might not be terribly profound and far away from
      'That', but something 'stuck' me the other day...

      I was alone all Easter (.. break from girldfriend..), and I felt
      great. Perception was sharp, delightful energies..etc. A
      spiritually-traditional thought popped up : "See, aloneness,
      being a 'hermit', silence is great and the way", and I felt even
      better..: because of feeling I was doing the right thing, for a
      change.. _Until_ the next thought, a bit more
      'tantric/dzogchen/vedantic' in nature..:"You are self-deluding
      yourself my friend,.. feeling good has nothing to do with 'It'..
      you're just escaping from the what-is of life and relationship..
      your feeling good is no less ignorant than when you feel you're
      in hell..".. .. so then, I did not feel so great any longer.. a
      kind of despair replaced it.

      I am acquainted with some of the pointers, that might dump all
      of the above in The Ultimate disintegration-machine/blender of
      'That' Unmanifested & Undiferientiated Blob... but I just want
      to say, that it was a mild shock to see how everything we look
      upon, is thru some Meaning ...! .. _Everything_.. The thought of
      removing both of the above meanings,..all meanings, is sheer
      terror.. everything in life would be utterly meaningless, and
      one would certainly have No-thing. A 'dark night of soul' sound
      like great fun, compared to this. And if one sees the
      truth/falsity of this (meaning giving), would one be here using
      so many words and meanings ? Would one involve oneself in
      _Any-thing ?.. (apart form necessities, like a job, and shopping
      for food..) Rather scary... All of life, would be an utter and
      meaningless joke... How is it for you ?



      The whole idea of an evolving humanity is quite ludicrous. There
      is something in people that recognizes just how insignificant we
      are when weighed against the vastness of space. Thus we strive
      for some meaning that will justify our experience of life.

      As sages we come to see that the meaning of life is to live -
      life becomes it's own meaning. In this there is peace. The need
      for a well organized and definitive structure of how it is or
      ought to be drops away.

      We realize that everything we need has always been available to
      us at every moment. We discover the freedom to participate in
      life with gusto and grace.


      Peace - Michael



      To Truly See means To Totally Be!

      Differentiation implies being far sighted. Interpretation
      implies being near sighted. Both depend on each other, are
      relative, and indicate the suffering of illusory knowledge.

      To wish for freedom and to work for freedom assumes the
      existence of bondage. Great masters ask you to question that

      Being Is Freedom.

      Look here and understand!

      Desire is desire, love is love, hatred is hatred, anger is
      anger, sadness is sadness, rage is rage, and bliss is bliss.
      What of it?

      There is no mystery here. If you truly accept the totality of
      what is, then where is the need to improve yourself?

      But you should improve yourself, if you feel you have to. Don't
      go against your natural feeling. It just creates additional

      In the long run, forget about overcoming conditioning. That
      itself is another type of conditioning. Just layers upon layers
      upon layers of conditioning constitute our identity. You may as
      well become an enormous and huge Chocolate Cake at a wedding!
      You will have fewer layers to contend with and you will taste
      better to your friends!

      There is no end to this nonsense about self-improvement and if
      you have the energy to pursue, it will continue in one form or

      Forget permanent and impermanent. Forget freedom and bondage.
      Forget Samsara and Moksha. Remain as you are. That is actually
      the only thing anyone can do really well!

      If you know in your bones that there is absolutely nothing you
      can do, you will See that there is absolutely nothing you need
      to do!

      To See Is To Be. To Be is to See.

      These are Not Two!

      If you love Truth enough, you will see that You Are the Truth!

      You and Truth.

      These are not Two!

      If you Love Truth enough, you will see that You Are Love!

      You and Love.

      These are not Two!

      Keep it in sight You will be all right!

      Seeing Me, Seeing You!

      Be Seeing You (:-).



      dancing with the beloved

      “…the beloved has turned my mourning into dancing….”

      -Psalms 30.11 all the others love to lose themselves in the
      roles they love to play

      they sneak into the forest to hide within the purple shadows of
      the golden sun not realizing that you are both

      in the roles they love to play all the others love to lose

      within the silver shadows of the alabaster moon they hide behind
      their shimmering masks forgetting that you are the masks

      love to lose themselves in the roles they love to play all the

      merely pretending knowing the rules they within the game they do
      not know how to play ardently cheating themselves of the victory
      they seek

      ardently cheating themselves of the victory they seek within the
      game they do not know how to play merely pretending knowing the
      rules they

      love to lose themselves in the roles they love to play all the
      others, beloved

      forgetting you are all the masks in the play facelessly hiding
      within the shimmering shadows silver light mirroring gold within
      gold mirroring silver light

      in the roles they love to play all the others, beloved love to
      lose themselves

      not realizing you are both golden shadows hiding and the shining
      purple sun they hide within the ever creeping forest

      all the others, beloved love to lose themselves in the roles
      they love to play

      as shadows they play silly games hiding behind masks and within
      roles playing the silly games silly lovers love to play

      but i love to play, beloved, playfully with you as laughingly
      you dance me into the game of reality taking my hand you laugh
      me into your alabaster dancing

      at the laughter dancing the play, the play dancing the laughter

      stillness dancing silence, yours is the laughter, beloved
      silence dancing stillness

      i am your dancing poet dancing in your laughter beloved i am
      your beloved

      mark christopher valentine april 1, 2001 @ 9:55:42 PM) unedited



      Ultimately, 'the path' is a "feeling" or "intuitional" thing,
      not a conceptual thing. Let 'the heart' be the guide, and the
      mind "temper" the heart if something gets excessive.

      Bruce Morgen (another list member) says this -- "neither closed
      minded, nor excessively open minded (gullible)." It's a middle
      way, and if only thought and concepts are involved (or only
      heart/intuition are involved) "straying" is easy.

      To some extent, "follow the bliss" or "what feels right" is a
      good way of proceeding, "in the beginning," as long as tempered
      with some wisdom.


      Nisargadatta: "Instead of seeking what you don't have, find out
      what it is you have never lost."

      He said "find out." Everybody seems to love Nisargadatta, but
      who simply does what he recommends? Doesn't it seem kind of
      strange that people would read "I Am That" over and over, but
      never just follow instructions?



      Healthiest man in the cemetery :-)

      Satsang with Robert Adams [December 2, 1990]

      Last week I was talking to a body builder. He was telling me
      about his muscles. And what he does for this muscle, and what he
      does for that muscle, and how well he eats. So I told him that's
      great, you'll be the healthiest man in the cemetery. And that's
      about the gist of it. Why not use your energy for constructive
      purposes? Now this does not have to mean that you ignore your
      body. Your body will always take care of itself. As a matter of
      fact the more you practice your sadhana, or realizing your true
      identity, your body will be able to take better care of itself
      than you were ever able to take care of it, because it comes
      under a different law. It knows what to do. It will do whatever
      it came to this world to do, but it has absolutely nothing to do
      with you. When will you wake up to that fact?

      Stop thinking about yourself so much, about getting a new job,
      losing a job, about working or not working. No one is ever
      happy. Those people who work are miserable because they have to
      work. Those people who don't work are miserable because they
      can't find a job. And when they find a job they join the
      miserable ones who can't stand the job. Where is peace? Peace is
      your real nature. It's within you. It is you. Look for it and
      you'll find it. Seek and ye shall find.

      Whatever you identify with, that's what you become. Therefore
      stop identifying with worldly things. Identify with yourself.
      Now how do you do this? It begins in the morning, as I told you
      before. That's the time when your mind has been free. Because
      you slept you've had a semblance of peace. Being in deep sleep
      is an unconscious method of self-realization. You're realized
      when you are asleep, but you are unconscious so you're not aware
      of it. You want to be consciously asleep. When you're
      consciously asleep you're awake. You're awake to your Self, to
      Reality, to what is, to I AM.



      from tao te ching 35:

      "Tao is like a great elephant moving without danger"

      This verse is usually translated as "image" instead of

      Oh my, I'm all veklempft, you are guaranteed to reach
      enlightment if you solve this koan:

      "Tao is neither an elephant nor an image. Discuss amongst

      you can see the pictograph symbol for image and elephant at:




      A shift occurs from object seeing other objects to presence of
      all objects in the totality of the reality of this present
      moment. I can't do presence simply because I am presence. There
      is no where to go. There is no thing to do. There is life, not
      my life, not your life, just life.



      Cyberdervish wrote: The self [small 's'] can never Awaken. It
      can never get Enlightened. The Self [capital 'S'] is already
      Awakened, Enlightened.

      So it is simply a matter of right identification! If you
      identify with the wrong self than no amount of meditation will
      awaken you. But how do you get the identification correct? Now
      that is the billion dollar question, isn't it :-)

      Gene writes: No, the $Billion question is this: Does "Self"

      Because all identification happens within Self, self wanders
      within a mirrored tesserect,

      Mistaking movement for solid, Manipulating three dimensions

      While living in the fourth, Unknowing that self

      Is Change,

      Undervaluing the talent of prediction Thus not knowing

      From whence it comes, Sinking into superstition,

      This is how a fourth-dimensional 'entity' Becomes food

      For the dwellers Of the fifth.

      O you

      Known as change,



      Always on the scene,

      When will the impulse To stop changing

      Lesson its grip?



      Right and wrong

      Good and bad

      Ways and means;

      Imaging self or Self

      Is the forbidden creation

      Of graven images.



      interesting link: http://www.unity-sp.com



      The teacup
      stands alone
      a full knowing
      of no other in
      it's own
      but, the ego.

      The teapot
      stands alone
      a mostly empty knowing
      of all other guests
      in it's own
      The self.

      The cup is served.
      The teapot prepared.
      The tea is hot.
      The master pours.
      For the student.
      And, himself.

      They sup together.

      Well, we got the boy some roller blades and a new helmet. I
      found that the 'Grecco' chocolate egg was enough however, I
      bought a few Kindereggs to be sure, and bubble gum, of course
      and fillers.

      We hid the 33 treasures around the apartment and it took
      approximately 27 minutes for him to find everything. We sent him
      outside with some free hotdog and 2 for 1 slurpees coupons for
      him and his friends from 7-11.

      Then, my wife and I sat on the deck meditating on the liquor
      store (closed on Monday) and played 'next 0' as we watched
      endless drunk people walk into the locked door of the closed
      liquor store.

      Believe it or not, there was 'only one' of the entire test group
      that could actually see that the liquor store was closed as he

      This, of course, was 'balanced' by the guy that approached with
      a cart of empties to be returned.

      None of which were very happy.

      I simply do not see the need to experiment with life as there
      are so many thyings already there to look at... assuming you
      know how to look.

      You say to me: look what has been done to our cultures,
      traditions, religions, and families is there no justice for

      To which I reply: look what you have done to my world on whom
      should I exact my justice and 'whom do YOU' call 'enemy'?



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      will give you for each Chakra: a good concise description; the
      proper colors of petals, mandalas, Mantras etc.; the female and
      male deity; the animal; the proper pronunciation for Chakra
      names and Mantras.


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      Some say life is its own purpose,
      but this is not the final understanding.

      Free of purpose and purposelessness,
      Free of life and death,
      Free of freedom and bondage;

      Free of words, the final understanding
      cannot be written in words,
      nor can the final understanding be understood.

      Free of understanding and ignorance,
      free of manifest and unmanifest,
      the final understanding cannot be understood.

      It is not 'is' and it is not 'is not'
      It is not emptiness and it is not fullness
      It is not form and it is not formless
      It is not personal and it is not impersonal
      It is not worthwhile and it is not worthless.
      It is not useful and it is not useless.

      It is not comprehensible to thought.
      It is not comprehensible to feeling.
      It cannot be written in words.
      It cannot be spoken out loud.
      It cannot be here or now.
      It cannot be past or future.

      Beyond duality and nonduality,
      the final understanding is finally

      It cannot be communicated, it
      cannot be transmitted, it cannot
      be understood, it cannot be described.

      It cannot be anything, and
      it cannot be nothing.

      It cannot be 'it', nor can the
      final understanding be 'this',
      nor can the final understanding
      be 'that'.

      It cannot be self nor can it
      be "Self."

      It is not inside and it is not outside.
      It is not "within" and it is not without.
      It is not West, East, North or South.

      These words say absolutely nothing.
      The final understanding is not
      absolutely nothing either.
      If you are looking to these words
      for the final understanding, you
      will perceive only nothing.

      The final understanding is not
      even "beyond," for "beyonds"
      go on beyond all beyonds,
      until beyonds finally merge
      beyond all possible beyonds.

      If you are looking for the Final Understanding
      You will never find it.

      Because you are looking in these words,
      you are missing it utterly.
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