NDHighlights Sunday 11/19/00
- Dear patient readers,
I can see that editing the NDS highlights will be a task with
considerable variety. Last Sunday, there were so many good (in my
somewhat suspect opinion) posts, I had difficulty whittling them down.
Yesterday, there were so few interesting posts, I am at a bit of a loss
to know what to include. This was a week of ego clashes - a sort of
demolition derby of the psyche. This post by Michael Read resonates
with me regarding it. If you want more, check out the NDS itself.
Dear Illusory beings, thank you so much for all of the recent drama. It
has been quite delightful. While others of your kind have been actually
murdering, maiming, and mutilating one another, your particular brand of
personal attacks have a special flavor that is in a word exquisite! And
best of all, they leave no apparent marks upon the body of the attacked!
The various forms of "fuck yous", "you're full of shits", and "how can
you call yourself enlighteneds" while not overly creative, do present a
certain charm due to the zest and zeal of their presentations!
The sweetest and most poignet aspect is that you actually believe there
is someone who needs attacking by someone who is attacking.
Dear Illusory beings - lights out!
HAHAHAH and HOHOHO!
Peace - yawn - Michael
(Ed note: I especially like the "yawn" part)
As for other topics, this one touches my heart (on Saturday I must have
been winging about leaving Bioengineering for less harmful pastures)
Jan Barendrecht replied:
You're not alone in this Mark - several years ago, in New Scientist the
first articles started to appear about scientists who had given up their
job, having discovered that animals do have emotions so most lab animals
do suffer. As nature is simple, it doesn't come a surprise that a
mechanism observed in for instance a bee can be observed in humans as
well. The bee will incessantly fly against the window in an effort to
get out, a human will incessantly be flying against the "brick wall of
self" in an effort to get "out". Both can be hurt by their efforts and
administer hurt to any creature perceived as "hindrance" to their
Jerry pitched in:
One thing that turned me off about science is that I couldn't kill any
more animals. It suddenly became impossible. I still think about the
things I've done. And yet perhaps all great medical breakthroughs result
from animal research. Many benefit right this minute from the millions
of animals that have died.
When I was at the University of New Mexico doing research, the guy who
delivered/brokered/sold -- I wasn't sure of his exact role -- laboratory
research animals to us had his wife and kids wiped out in a car crash
while I was there. It was like a message to me.
Yet what have I learned? There is still in these hands two all-beef
patties, special sauce, lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed
To which Judi replied:
Well it all goes round Jerry. When Meriann had her heart surgery two
years ago and we were so worried about the bill, the accountant in the
doctors office told us that when it comes to a child having a serious
illness, one never need worry, because there are so many agencies that
pick up the bill, with McDonald's being one the biggest. And this is not
something publicized that people even know about.
Happy Days, Judi
In response to Jerry's expression of surprise, Judy added:
(Jerry) Wow, I didn't know that.
******** Yes, we were quite surprised too. In fact, at
UCSF, where she had her surgery, they fly in kids from all over the
world to have heart surgery there. And when and if they can't fly them
in, they have a team who travel around the world doing heart surgeries
for children. These guys not only know what they're doing, but they're
beautiful people too. One look in her heart surgeon's eyes, and you'd
know what I mean.
Happy Days, Judi
Judi also pointed to her web page where a picture of her daughter
I popped, somewhat belatedly, into the conversation:
It's true. A good friend of mine had a baby daugher who required open
heart surgery several years back, and the Ronald McDonald house (I
believe that's what it's called) was incredibly helpful at the time,
both with bills and lodging at the hospital so they could be there with
their daughter. (Remembering brings tears to my eyes. May all beings
everywhere be well.)
Manchine brought us from the mundane of everyday life (is childhood open
heart surgery really ever truly mundane?) back to the numinous realm of
nonduality and reincarnation:
And in some other life you were/are/will be the pattie.... or even the
Isn't it just so incredible!
Judi continued her story:
Yes, they were wonderful. The Ronald McDonald house arranged for her
father and her brother to stay at a house near the hospital and they
paid for all the food for the near week she was in the hospital. I
stayed and slept in the room with her and the hospital provided all my
They had a baby there who weighed one pound, whose heart was the size of
a quarter and they did a total reconstruction of that baby's heart.
Truly amazing what they can do. Just think, that baby is in her terrible
two's right now. :-))
Jan popped back in to remind us how personal stories are parts of a
larger societal (and even larger spiritual story line:
I have my doubts about the breakthroughs in medical science, knowing
that the major cause of death is through lifestyle. Traffic has caused
more deaths than all wars together but no one cares :)
(quoting Jerry) º ºWhen I was at the University of New Mexico doing
research, the guy whodelivered/brokered/sold -- I wasn't sure of his
exact role -- laboratory research animals to us had his wife and kids
wiped out in a car crash while I was there. It was like a message to me.
It certainly is a message - when behavior is dominated by moral and
ethics, allowing animals to suffer for the pleasure of other animals,
one can be sure that such moral and ethics sooner or later will work
against its practitioner. I don't think intention is playing any role
here - the laws of nature need no intention to operate. The false idea
of subjugation of nature invariably leads to a behavior whereby nature
will subjugate the self-acclaimed subjugator :)
(again quoting Jerry) º ºYet what have I learned? There is still in
these hands two all-beef ºpatties, special sauce, lettuce cheese pickles
onions on a sesame seed ºbun. º ºJerry
Quite purposely, food made from animal sources doesn't remind one in any
way of the source: dead animals... So taste will determine choice and
taste solely depends on salt, spices and herbs :)
Belonging to the class of those who can be motivated by argument alone,
I learned many lessons, veganism and fruitarianism being but a few and
learning still continues :)
Jerry pointed to further information regarding the role of the McDonalds
corporation in health care:
I went to their website at <http://www.rmhc.com> and saw all the things
they do. I'm doing some volunteer work in the mental health field and I
find it satisfying to work with people and their most fundamental needs.
There was a side-thread about car crashes and synchronicity, but that
was about it for the NDS on Sunday, the rest was folks butting heads
over nothing at all.